From lherault at bu.edu Mon Dec 1 06:59:39 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Mon Dec 1 07:00:15 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs Message-ID: <007101c953c5$6f497e80$56d6299b@ad.bu.edu> List mates, This is a bit off topic, but ISTR that some of our members also work on music boxes. A friend of mine has asked me to repair the spring in a music box he owns (I have not seen it yet and have just e-mailed him to ask for the brand/model). So, if anyone has information about parts suppliers for Music Boxes, particularly in the North East USA (I'm in MA and the machine is in CT), or can recommend a reputable repair person in the North East USA, I'd appreciate it. I've already cautioned him that music box springs are even more powerful than phono springs, told him about sharp edges etc. I've successfully replaced quite a few phono mainsprings and still have all my original functioning extremities, digits and eyes. 8-). Ron L From andy at popyrus.com Mon Dec 1 08:20:15 2008 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:20:33 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay Message-ID: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> What do you all make of this? The seller describes it as a "peephole device", but the original serial number plate reads "Projecting Kinetiscope". The cabinet at first glance appears to be home made, but the age of it seems honest; not faked to look old. The external hardware certainly appears to be age-appropriate, and yet the cabinet wood looks like pine or fir, which would be odd for the time. The mechanism appears intact, but I don't see anything that's obviously involved with projection. Is this part of a larger affair, or something made from a more complete device to adapt it to a different use? EDISON KINETOSCOPE CAMERA PHONOGRAPH RARE FILM VIEWER Item number: 110320165169 Andy Baron Santa Fe From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Dec 1 08:28:36 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:28:50 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay In-Reply-To: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <274302.87238.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The screw in lens is missing, so it would not project anything in this condition. I have seen a couple of Kinetoscopes before, but not?this cabinet. --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Andrew Baron wrote: From: Andrew Baron Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 8:20 AM What do you all make of this? The seller describes it as a "peephole device", but the original serial number plate reads "Projecting Kinetiscope". The cabinet at first glance appears to be home made, but the age of it seems honest; not faked to look old. The external hardware certainly appears to be age-appropriate, and yet the cabinet wood looks like pine or fir, which would be odd for the time. The mechanism appears intact, but I don't see anything that's obviously involved with projection. Is this part of a larger affair, or something made from a more complete device to adapt it to a different use? EDISON KINETOSCOPE CAMERA PHONOGRAPH RARE FILM VIEWER Item number: 110320165169 Andy Baron Santa Fe _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andy at popyrus.com Mon Dec 1 08:29:32 2008 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:34:56 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs In-Reply-To: <007101c953c5$6f497e80$56d6299b@ad.bu.edu> References: <007101c953c5$6f497e80$56d6299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <11A6FD7A-B7CD-46D6-9E71-438E1AA44412@popyrus.com> I'm curious about this as well. Occasionally an old Regina disc or European cylinder music box finds its way into my shop and although I haven't had occasion to replace a main spring, it would be great to know about sources. Andy Baron Santa Fe On Dec 1, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Ron L wrote: > List mates, > > This is a bit off topic, but ISTR that some of our members also work > on > music boxes. A friend of mine has asked me to repair the spring in > a music > box he owns (I have not seen it yet and have just e-mailed him to > ask for > the brand/model). So, if anyone has information about parts > suppliers for > Music Boxes, particularly in the North East USA (I'm in MA and the > machine > is in CT), or can recommend a reputable repair person in the North > East USA, > I'd appreciate it. I've already cautioned him that music box > springs are > even more powerful than phono springs, told him about sharp edges > etc. I've > successfully replaced quite a few phono mainsprings and still have > all my > original functioning extremities, digits and eyes. 8-). > > Ron L > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonofolks at aol.com Mon Dec 1 08:32:13 2008 From: phonofolks at aol.com (phonofolks@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:44:48 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs In-Reply-To: <007101c953c5$6f497e80$56d6299b@ad.bu.edu> References: <007101c953c5$6f497e80$56d6299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <8CB21E97FB72ABE-BCC-F3@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> Ron: Try Nancy Fratti in New York. SHe is the most well know Musc Box supplies dealer in the world. Here is her website: http://www.nancyfrattimusicboxes.com/ Rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron L To: phonolist@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 9:59 am Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs List mates, This is a bit off topic, but ISTR that some of our members also work on music boxes. A friend of mine has asked me to repair the spring in a music box he owns (I have not seen it yet and have just e-mailed him to ask for the brand/model). So, if anyone has information about parts suppliers for Music Boxes, particularly in the North East USA (I'm in MA and the machine is in CT), or can recommend a reputable repair person in the North East USA, I'd appreciate it. I've already cautioned him that music box springs are even more powerful than phono springs, told him about sharp edges etc. I've successfully replaced quite a few phono mainsprings and still have all my original functioning extremities, digits and eyes. 8-). Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Mon Dec 1 08:49:27 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:50:00 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay In-Reply-To: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> References: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <00d401c953d4$c61978a0$56d6299b@ad.bu.edu> I think that is the way the projector is supposed to look. It is missing its lens. They were not pretty affairs and the wooden parts were often cut and modified< for instance, to add a take up spool rather than to let the film dump into a bag. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:20 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay What do you all make of this? The seller describes it as a "peephole device", but the original serial number plate reads "Projecting Kinetiscope". The cabinet at first glance appears to be home made, but the age of it seems honest; not faked to look old. The external hardware certainly appears to be age-appropriate, and yet the cabinet wood looks like pine or fir, which would be odd for the time. The mechanism appears intact, but I don't see anything that's obviously involved with projection. Is this part of a larger affair, or something made from a more complete device to adapt it to a different use? EDISON KINETOSCOPE CAMERA PHONOGRAPH RARE FILM VIEWER Item number: 110320165169 Andy Baron Santa Fe _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jnichol at fuse.net Mon Dec 1 08:48:31 2008 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:50:48 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs In-Reply-To: <007101c953c5$6f497e80$56d6299b@ad.bu.edu> References: <007101c953c5$6f497e80$56d6299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: I've always heard that Nancy Fratti is the premier music box vendor (or at least longest in the business at about 40 years). It wouldn't hurt to drop her an email. I don't if she does repairs, but she would know who does. http://www.nancyfrattimusicboxes.com Jim Nichol On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Ron L wrote: > List mates, > > This is a bit off topic, but ISTR that some of our members also work > on > music boxes. A friend of mine has asked me to repair the spring in > a music > box he owns (I have not seen it yet and have just e-mailed him to > ask for > the brand/model). So, if anyone has information about parts > suppliers for > Music Boxes, particularly in the North East USA (I'm in MA and the > machine > is in CT), or can recommend a reputable repair person in the North > East USA, > I'd appreciate it. I've already cautioned him that music box > springs are > even more powerful than phono springs, told him about sharp edges > etc. I've > successfully replaced quite a few phono mainsprings and still have > all my > original functioning extremities, digits and eyes. 8-). > > Ron L > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andersun at tampabay.rr.com Mon Dec 1 08:50:59 2008 From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (Steve Andersen) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:51:39 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay In-Reply-To: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> References: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <88645ADA-175A-40C3-B426-25ED801ED16D@tampabay.rr.com> The owner states that the case is oak. With the dovetail features in the wood, I would think the case was original. The pictures are so grainy, that they make it look like pine. Some people crack me up with their poor pictures on Ebay! On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Andrew Baron wrote: > 110320165169 From jnichol at fuse.net Mon Dec 1 08:54:25 2008 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:56:38 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay In-Reply-To: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> References: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> Message-ID: Once again, if only Ray Phillips was computer literate enough to be on this list! He wrote the book on Kinetoscopes (literally!) and makes reproductions of them. And most impressive, he has an original Bergmann tinfoil machine. Jim Nichol On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Andrew Baron wrote: > What do you all make of this? The seller describes it as a > "peephole device", but the original serial number plate reads > "Projecting Kinetiscope". The cabinet at first glance appears to be > home made, but the age of it seems honest; not faked to look old. > The external hardware certainly appears to be age-appropriate, and > yet the cabinet wood looks like pine or fir, which would be odd for > the time. > > The mechanism appears intact, but I don't see anything that's > obviously involved with projection. Is this part of a larger > affair, or something made from a more complete device to adapt it to > a different use? > > EDISON KINETOSCOPE CAMERA PHONOGRAPH RARE FILM VIEWER > Item number: 110320165169 > > Andy Baron > Santa Fe > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Dec 1 08:56:16 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:56:38 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs Message-ID: hi ron you might try nancy fratti music boxes or _Nancy Fratti Music Boxes_ (http://www.nancyfrattimusicboxes.com/) Nancy Fratti Music Boxes (formerly Panchronia Antiquities) PO Box 400 Canastota, NY 13032-0400 USA 315-684-9977 In a message dated 12/1/2008 10:02:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lherault@bu.edu writes: List mates, This is a bit off topic, but ISTR that some of our members also work on music boxes. A friend of mine has asked me to repair the spring in a music box he owns (I have not seen it yet and have just e-mailed him to ask for the brand/model). So, if anyone has information about parts suppliers for Music Boxes, particularly in the North East USA (I'm in MA and the machine is in CT), or can recommend a reputable repair person in the North East USA, I'd appreciate it. I've already cautioned him that music box springs are even more powerful than phono springs, told him about sharp edges etc. I've successfully replaced quite a few phono mainsprings and still have all my original functioning extremities, digits and eyes. 8-). Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40van ity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From glastris at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 08:56:02 2008 From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:01:54 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay In-Reply-To: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> References: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> Message-ID: It is right as rain, just incomplete. It's an early 20th century projector. The case should be oak and it looks to be. It's missing the lens for one thing and the reels, illuminant, et al are missing. Basically what is there is the feed mechanism. Not as rare as one would imagine, they turn up like this rather frequently. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Baron" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay > What do you all make of this? The seller describes it as a "peephole > device", but the original serial number plate reads "Projecting > Kinetiscope". The cabinet at first glance appears to be home made, but > the age of it seems honest; not faked to look old. The external hardware > certainly appears to be age-appropriate, and yet the cabinet wood looks > like pine or fir, which would be odd for the time. > > The mechanism appears intact, but I don't see anything that's obviously > involved with projection. Is this part of a larger affair, or something > made from a more complete device to adapt it to a different use? > > EDISON KINETOSCOPE CAMERA PHONOGRAPH RARE FILM VIEWER > Item number: 110320165169 > Andy Baron > Santa Fe > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Dec 1 09:01:53 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:07:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs Message-ID: here is a good one near atlanta too i have used him for a few boxes DB MUSICAL RESTORATIONS 75 Waters Edge Lane Newnan, GA 30263 PHONE: 770-253-1903 FAX: 770-253-7601 Email: _beck1903@bellsouth.net _ (mailto:beck1903@bellsout.net) (http://www.dbmusicalrestorations.com/aboutus.html) (http://www.dbmusicalrestorations.com/history.html) For more information regarding musical boxes, go to: _www.mbsi.org_ (http://www.mbsi.org/) In a message dated 12/1/2008 11:49:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, phonofolks@aol.com writes: Ron: Try Nancy Fratti in New York. SHe is the most well know Musc Box supplies dealer in the world. Here is her website: http://www.nancyfrattimusicboxes.com/ Rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron L To: phonolist@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 9:59 am Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs List mates, This is a bit off topic, but ISTR that some of our members also work on music boxes. A friend of mine has asked me to repair the spring in a music box he owns (I have not seen it yet and have just e-mailed him to ask for the brand/model). So, if anyone has information about parts suppliers for Music Boxes, particularly in the North East USA (I'm in MA and the machine is in CT), or can recommend a reputable repair person in the North East USA, I'd appreciate it. I've already cautioned him that music box springs are even more powerful than phono springs, told him about sharp edges etc. I've successfully replaced quite a few phono mainsprings and still have all my original functioning extremities, digits and eyes. 8-). Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From steve_noreen at msn.com Mon Dec 1 09:27:01 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:27:13 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay In-Reply-To: <88645ADA-175A-40C3-B426-25ED801ED16D@tampabay.rr.com> References: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> <88645ADA-175A-40C3-B426-25ED801ED16D@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: Especially when that person is selling a high dollar item and they are too cheap to provide a decent photo, that is what gets me. When you spend a lot of money it is nice to have a decent photo to look at. Does that triumph have pin striping? Can't tell poor, dark cheap photo. Some people crack me up with > their poor pictures on Ebay! From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Dec 1 10:05:16 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:06:18 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Fire Sale Victor Horn Message-ID: <145104.72471.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All I have my eye on a horn for my Victor III. To buy it I need to sell my current Victor IV Morning Glory Horn. It is in very good shape, decal is present, some minor dings in a few petals but a very nice horn, fire sale price $200.00 plus shipping. Email me off list for pics. I have about 24 hours to sell, and I am offering it to the list first. Thanks John Robles From andy at popyrus.com Mon Dec 1 11:35:13 2008 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Mon Dec 1 11:35:33 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <20EFFDA8-BA27-4CF2-BE2C-76118B12D312@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <92333085-3F8A-45FF-A8E9-41D128A08787@popyrus.com> Thanks, all who are replying to my inquiry, for these additional insights. Best, Andy Baron On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:56 AM, George Glastris wrote: > It is right as rain, just incomplete. It's an early 20th century > projector. The case should be oak and it looks to be. It's missing > the lens for one thing and the reels, illuminant, et al are > missing. Basically what is there is the feed mechanism. Not as > rare as one would imagine, they turn up like this rather frequently. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Baron" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:20 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay > > >> What do you all make of this? The seller describes it as a >> "peephole device", but the original serial number plate reads >> "Projecting Kinetiscope". The cabinet at first glance appears to >> be home made, but the age of it seems honest; not faked to look >> old. The external hardware certainly appears to be age- >> appropriate, and yet the cabinet wood looks like pine or fir, >> which would be odd for the time. >> >> The mechanism appears intact, but I don't see anything that's >> obviously involved with projection. Is this part of a larger >> affair, or something made from a more complete device to adapt it >> to a different use? >> >> EDISON KINETOSCOPE CAMERA PHONOGRAPH RARE FILM VIEWER >> Item number: 110320165169 >> Andy Baron >> Santa Fe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Mon Dec 1 12:14:46 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Mon Dec 1 12:15:17 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010a01c953f1$74b93b90$56d6299b@ad.bu.edu> Thanks to all who've responded. Nancy's name comes up the most. Mainsprings come from Dennis Valente at APSCO according to a source who spoke with Nancy about it. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Zonophone2006@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:56 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Music Box springs hi ron you might try nancy fratti music boxes or _Nancy Fratti Music Boxes_ (http://www.nancyfrattimusicboxes.com/) Nancy Fratti Music Boxes (formerly Panchronia Antiquities) PO Box 400 Canastota, NY 13032-0400 USA 315-684-9977 In a message dated 12/1/2008 10:02:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lherault@bu.edu writes: List mates, This is a bit off topic, but ISTR that some of our members also work on music boxes. From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Dec 1 15:46:38 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon Dec 1 15:46:50 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Fire Sale Horn Sold Message-ID: <202542.2673.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A buyer has said 'Sold' and some water has been thrown on the fire. Thanks to all who responded.? I find it much more satisfying when someone on the list buys rather than sending it to ebay. It's more like belonging to a fraternity! :-) John Robles From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Dec 1 16:12:52 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 16:13:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs Message-ID: HI ALL i heard dennis and patti valente have gotten out of the business anyone know for sure In a message dated 12/1/2008 3:34:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lherault@bu.edu writes: Thanks to all who've responded. Nancy's name comes up the most. Mainsprings come from Dennis Valente at APSCO according to a source who spoke with Nancy about it. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Zonophone2006@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:56 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Music Box springs hi ron you might try nancy fratti music boxes or _Nancy Fratti Music Boxes_ (http://www.nancyfrattimusicboxes.com/) Nancy Fratti Music Boxes (formerly Panchronia Antiquities) PO Box 400 Canastota, NY 13032-0400 USA 315-684-9977 In a message dated 12/1/2008 10:02:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lherault@bu.edu writes: List mates, This is a bit off topic, but ISTR that some of our members also work on music boxes. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Dec 1 16:15:33 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 16:16:18 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay Message-ID: just a curious note for all most of the projectors have the same edison signature plate as the idelias have just to show edison knew how to save some money In a message dated 12/1/2008 6:04:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lherault@bu.edu writes: I think that is the way the projector is supposed to look. It is missing its lens. They were not pretty affairs and the wooden parts were often cut and modified< for instance, to add a take up spool rather than to let the film dump into a bag. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:20 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay What do you all make of this? The seller describes it as a "peephole device", but the original serial number plate reads "Projecting Kinetiscope". The cabinet at first glance appears to be home made, but the age of it seems honest; not faked to look old. The external hardware certainly appears to be age-appropriate, and yet the cabinet wood looks like pine or fir, which would be odd for the time. The mechanism appears intact, but I don't see anything that's obviously involved with projection. Is this part of a larger affair, or something made from a more complete device to adapt it to a different use? EDISON KINETOSCOPE CAMERA PHONOGRAPH RARE FILM VIEWER Item number: 110320165169 Andy Baron Santa Fe _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Mon Dec 1 18:04:14 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Mon Dec 1 19:12:52 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Fire Sale Horn Sold Message-ID: I agree John. Although I wasn't fast enough to your offer, I am glad to see your horn go to a fellow phonobuff on the Phono-L thread. I am sure that I join many others on this group in saying that I am glad to see another venue to buy our beloved phonograph items. With all of the outrageous fees, and the crooks that are showing themselves more and more each day on ebay, I am one that has really weaned myself from ebay. I am beginning to save a little extra money here and there and am looking forward to several phonograph shows next year. I not only look forward to seeing items that I would like to buy, but am looking forward to the fellowship with fellow enthusiasts. Ebay is not what it was twelve years ago when I joined. Money, like it has with sports and entertainment, has ruined what was a good thing. A sign of the times I suppose! Keep 'em spinnin' at 78...rpms that is! Brantley Williston, S.C. From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 17:56:12 2008 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Mon Dec 1 20:43:04 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Horns for sale. Message-ID: <698740.17512.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For Sale: Victor "L" brass bell horn - This is the largest brass bell Victor horn and it's in good original condition. The paint appears old but I can find no traces of a decal. The body has a few bumps & bruises but is very presentable and the bell is excellent. It's a terrific horn for any large Victor and the price is $400. Tulip (Search Light) horn for a cylinder machine. It is difficult to find these horns in wonderful shape and this one is no exception. The paint on the inside is quite nice and the paint on the outside is fair. The price is $200. Brass M/G cylinder horn - This is a very nice cylinder horn. The outside is painted and the inside is brass with irise flowers for decoration. The horn is very striking and the price is $250. Berliner - This is an all black Berliner horn with gold trim in the bell and a thin gold stripe on the body of the horn. It is an exceptional horn in wonderful condition and the price is $750. Columbia rear mount horn - This is a original blue painted embossed metal Columbia horn. It's a very nice all original blue horn with gold trim and would look nice in any ones collection. The price is $250. Edison Triumph M/G horn - This is a very nice all original black horn. The paint is very nice as are the decals. The price is $200. I have collected for over thirty five years and many of these horns have been in my spare horn stack for a long time waiting for the perfect machine for display. I am happy to email photos. I have an opportunity to buy something that I'd really like, so I'm offering them for sale. Please contact me off list at jerry.blais@yahoo.com or call 541-926-2843. Some of the horns are too big to ship at a reasonable cost but making connections at Union or CAPS is easy. Better yet, come to the Salem, Oregon phono sale on May 17th to pick up your horn. Thanks, Jerry From phonofolks at aol.com Tue Dec 2 07:39:24 2008 From: phonofolks at aol.com (phonofolks@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 2 07:44:48 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Music Box springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB22AB49C27006-1544-D30@WEBMAIL-DC15.sysops.aol.com> The website is still up and I called the APSCO phone number and the message said they are closed until December 3rd. -----Original Message----- From: Zonophone2006@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Music Box springs HI ALL i heard dennis and patti valente have gotten out of the business anyone know for sure In a message dated 12/1/2008 3:34:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lherault@bu.edu writes: Thanks to all who've responded. Nancy's name comes up the most. Mainsprings come from Dennis Valente at APSCO according to a source who spoke with Nancy about it. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Zonophone2006@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:56 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Music Box springs hi ron you might try nancy fratti music boxes or _Nancy Fratti Music Boxes_ (http://www.nancyfrattimusicboxes.com/) Nancy Fratti Music Boxes (formerly Panchronia Antiquities) PO Box 400 Canastota, NY 13032-0400 USA 315-684-9977 In a message dated 12/1/2008 10:02:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lherault@bu.edu writes: List mates, This is a bit off topic, but ISTR that some of our members also work on music boxes. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ClockworkHome at aol.com Tue Dec 2 16:35:03 2008 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 2 16:35:17 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Kinetoscope Projector - Curious Edison artifact on eBay Message-ID: This is only the projecting head missing parts. The Edison Kinetoscope came in a protective carrying case that folds open and bolts down onto the lamphouse board. The hand-cranked machine was part of a traveling tent show cinema outfit. One reason they don't show up with great regularity is that often they were licensed to exhibitors and leased but not sold. The oak case came as part of the outfit but is often lost. A complete projection head should have the takeup reel arm, feed reel arm, varous focal length lens to account for throw, and the hand crank to operate the head. The lamphouse was generally a carbon arc which on a deluxe system could be shifted to one side so the light would go through glass slides and a second lens. Slides were a show in themselves with announcements like "Ladies and Gentlemen - please remove your hats so those in back of you may see the presentation!" Regards To All Al **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From ElCaminoNYC at aol.com Wed Dec 3 09:31:58 2008 From: ElCaminoNYC at aol.com (ElCaminoNYC@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 3 09:32:17 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted---Columbia reproducer Message-ID: Hello All - looking for a Columbia D-1 reproducer for my AO---if you have one you are willing to part with please contact me off-line at _elcaminonyc@aol.com_ (mailto:elcaminonyc@aol.com) Best Regards Pete **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From lherault at bu.edu Wed Dec 3 09:54:00 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Wed Dec 3 10:04:55 2008 Subject: FW: [Phono-L] Music Box springs Message-ID: <004501c95570$1f571a70$57d6299b@ad.bu.edu> APSCO is very much still in business. See the reply from Patti, below. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: patti@apsco [mailto:apsco@antiquephono.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:26 AM To: lherault@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Music Box springs We are alive, well and in business! Since we lost almost all of our music box spring steel during the flood of 2006, we do not offer much in the way of custom replacement springs for music boxes, as we do not intend to restock all those odd sizes. Some may inquire with the size needed, so we might determine if it is one that we can provide. (The phono steel was on benches \and shelves) We are still in full swing business with the phonograph repairs, parts & services, with a very quick turn time at this time of year. Patti - APSCO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron L'Herault" To: "'patti@apsco'" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:37 PM Subject: FW: [Phono-L] Music Box springs > Is the message below true, Patti? > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of Zonophone2006@aol.com > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:13 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Music Box springs > > HI ALL > i heard dennis and patti valente have gotten out of the business > anyone know for sure > > > From jselph at cox.net Wed Dec 3 09:34:52 2008 From: jselph at cox.net (John Selph) Date: Wed Dec 3 10:31:05 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 Message-ID: <33DE554C622C4BCDA40948961C0DB425@Home> Can anyone tell me where I can purchase the tapered pin that goes through the spindle and drives the platter for the above phono? That is the last piece that I need to complete this unit, and I'm not in a position to order other parts to reach a minimum purchase amount as required from most dealers. Thanks, John "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --Ernest Hemingway From lherault at bu.edu Wed Dec 3 10:54:25 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Wed Dec 3 10:55:10 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 In-Reply-To: <33DE554C622C4BCDA40948961C0DB425@Home> References: <33DE554C622C4BCDA40948961C0DB425@Home> Message-ID: <004a01c95578$9003e2a0$57d6299b@ad.bu.edu> I don't think either APSCO or George Vollema have a minimum purchase amount. Having said that however, if you know the size of the pin you need you should be able to source it from a local machinists supply store. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of John Selph Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:35 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 Can anyone tell me where I can purchase the tapered pin that goes through the spindle and drives the platter for the above phono? That is the last piece that I need to complete this unit, and I'm not in a position to order other parts to reach a minimum purchase amount as required from most dealers. Thanks, John "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --Ernest Hemingway _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jselph at cox.net Wed Dec 3 11:22:39 2008 From: jselph at cox.net (John Selph) Date: Wed Dec 3 11:22:50 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 In-Reply-To: <004a01c95578$9003e2a0$57d6299b@ad.bu.edu> References: <33DE554C622C4BCDA40948961C0DB425@Home> <004a01c95578$9003e2a0$57d6299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <3FEA143751734261B8F39A50DE62D519@Home> Unfortunately, the pin was missing when the unit was given to me, so I don't have an original to go by. I've look at all of the hardware type stores around me and can't find anything that small. I've sent inquiries to both APSCO and George Vollema, so I guess I'll just wait and see what they have to say. Thanks for the info Ron. John I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 I don't think either APSCO or George Vollema have a minimum purchase amount. Having said that however, if you know the size of the pin you need you should be able to source it from a local machinists supply store. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of John Selph Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:35 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 Can anyone tell me where I can purchase the tapered pin that goes through the spindle and drives the platter for the above phono? That is the last piece that I need to complete this unit, and I'm not in a position to order other parts to reach a minimum purchase amount as required from most dealers. Thanks, John "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --Ernest Hemingway _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Wed Dec 3 11:52:20 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Wed Dec 3 11:52:44 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 In-Reply-To: <3FEA143751734261B8F39A50DE62D519@Home> References: <33DE554C622C4BCDA40948961C0DB425@Home> <004a01c95578$9003e2a0$57d6299b@ad.bu.edu> <3FEA143751734261B8F39A50DE62D519@Home> Message-ID: <4936E374.9030806@octoxol.com> I think its a standard taper pin, you cut it to proper length. John Selph wrote: > Unfortunately, the pin was missing when the unit was given to me, so I don't > have an original to go by. I've look at all of the hardware type stores > around me and can't find anything that small. I've sent inquiries to both > APSCO and George Vollema, so I guess I'll just wait and see what they have > to say. Thanks for the info Ron. > John > > I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die > of natural causes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Ron L > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:54 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 > > I don't think either APSCO or George Vollema have a minimum purchase amount. > Having said that however, if you know the size of the pin you need you > should be able to source it from a local machinists supply store. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of John Selph > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:35 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 > > Can anyone tell me where I can purchase the tapered pin that goes through > the spindle and drives the platter for the above phono? That is the last > piece that I need to complete this unit, and I'm not in a position to order > other parts to reach a minimum purchase amount as required from most > dealers. > > Thanks, > > John > > > > "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep > your mouth shut." > --Ernest Hemingway > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From cdh041 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 12:09:05 2008 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Wed Dec 3 12:09:57 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 Message-ID: <410-2200812332095937@earthlink.net> I haven't been following this thread very closely, but if this is the drive pin on the turntable spindle, you need not worry about the pin being tapered, but you can get a rollpin from even some good hardware stores. You'll buy a pin for use with the hole on the shaft, then press the pin into the shaft, and you'll be home safe. > [Original Message] > From: Rich > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 12/3/2008 2:54:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 > > I think its a standard taper pin, you cut it to proper length. > > John Selph wrote: > > Unfortunately, the pin was missing when the unit was given to me, so I don't > > have an original to go by. I've look at all of the hardware type stores > > around me and can't find anything that small. I've sent inquiries to both > > APSCO and George Vollema, so I guess I'll just wait and see what they have > > to say. Thanks for the info Ron. > > John > > > > I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die > > of natural causes. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On > > Behalf Of Ron L > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:54 PM > > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 > > > > I don't think either APSCO or George Vollema have a minimum purchase amount. > > Having said that however, if you know the size of the pin you need you > > should be able to source it from a local machinists supply store. > > > > Ron L > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On > > Behalf Of John Selph > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:35 PM > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 > > > > Can anyone tell me where I can purchase the tapered pin that goes through > > the spindle and drives the platter for the above phono? That is the last > > piece that I need to complete this unit, and I'm not in a position to order > > other parts to reach a minimum purchase amount as required from most > > dealers. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > > > > > "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep > > your mouth shut." > > --Ernest Hemingway > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From nipper27 at COMCAST.NET Wed Dec 3 15:12:23 2008 From: nipper27 at COMCAST.NET (Nick Manolakis) Date: Wed Dec 3 15:12:43 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Loking for a columbia horn Message-ID: Hi you all ( I am looking for a nice looking original Columbia rear mount horn , If anyone has one for sale (at a reasonable price ) please email me @ nipper27@comcast.net Thanks nick Gina M. Manolakis AMG Metro Appraisals www.amgmetro.com ****Updated Services, AMG Metro Appraisals performs Desk Reviews for several Northern California Counties- San Francisco, San Mateo, San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Sacramento, Placer, El Dorado, and Yolo. **** ***We perform Full Appraisals/ Reviews/ REO's -Sacramento, Placer, & El Dorado County (including South Lake Tahoe)*** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Gina M. Manolakis.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 892 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20081203/d57c27dd/GinaM.Manolakis.vcf From nipper27 at COMCAST.NET Wed Dec 3 15:26:29 2008 From: nipper27 at COMCAST.NET (Nick Manolakis) Date: Wed Dec 3 15:26:47 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Loking for a columbia horn References: Message-ID: Sorry Guys , I should have said Columbia back mount screw in type Later nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Manolakis" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Loking for a columbia horn Hi you all ( I am looking for a nice looking original Columbia rear mount horn , If anyone has one for sale (at a reasonable price ) please email me @ nipper27@comcast.net Thanks nick Gina M. Manolakis AMG Metro Appraisals www.amgmetro.com ****Updated Services, AMG Metro Appraisals performs Desk Reviews for several Northern California Counties- San Francisco, San Mateo, San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Sacramento, Placer, El Dorado, and Yolo. **** ***We perform Full Appraisals/ Reviews/ REO's -Sacramento, Placer, & El Dorado County (including South Lake Tahoe)*** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 17:06:52 2008 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Wed Dec 3 17:13:42 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 In-Reply-To: <33DE554C622C4BCDA40948961C0DB425@Home> Message-ID: <802749.55833.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear John, I am new to this site, so I hope you get this email. I ran into this problem before, and here is my solution. I take a paneling nail and cut it to length. I remove the coating to make it silver color. I file down the edges, insert it in the spindle. To make it permanent, use JB weld 5 min. epoxy.I'll make you one if you send me an SASE. It only takes about 5 min. to make. Harvey Kravitz --- On Wed, 12/3/08, John Selph wrote: From: John Selph Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:34 AM Can anyone tell me where I can purchase the tapered pin that goes through the spindle and drives the platter for the above phono? That is the last piece that I need to complete this unit, and I'm not in a position to order other parts to reach a minimum purchase amount as required from most dealers. Thanks, John "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --Ernest Hemingway _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From talk78s.settlemier at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 3 19:49:03 2008 From: talk78s.settlemier at sbcglobal.net (Tyrone Settlemier) Date: Wed Dec 3 19:55:14 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover Message-ID: <00cd01c955c3$41026730$210110ac@DISCOGRAPHY> Not very often that my job and my hobby interesect, but there's an outside horn phonograph featured on the cover of Best's Review, which is a magazine geared toward Property/Casualty insurance companies. http://www.ambest.com/bestreview/200811.html If anyone wants, I can get a better picture of the cover. The cover article is about providing insurance for collectables, but really doesn't have anything about phonographs particularly. Tyrone From edisone1 at verizon.net Wed Dec 3 20:20:30 2008 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Wed Dec 3 21:21:13 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover References: <00cd01c955c3$41026730$210110ac@DISCOGRAPHY> Message-ID: <5BA62740A1774B4B9C2F9324EB39CE3D@New> odd.. I see no tone-arm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyrone Settlemier" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover Not very often that my job and my hobby interesect, but there's an outside horn phonograph featured on the cover of Best's Review, which is a magazine geared toward Property/Casualty insurance companies. http://www.ambest.com/bestreview/200811.html If anyone wants, I can get a better picture of the cover. The cover article is about providing insurance for collectables, but really doesn't have anything about phonographs particularly. Tyrone \ From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 22:03:37 2008 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Wed Dec 3 22:03:48 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover In-Reply-To: <00cd01c955c3$41026730$210110ac@DISCOGRAPHY> Message-ID: <204829.97003.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Tyrone, It's a strange one. I think it's a fantasy machine. Are you planning to visit the Northwest? Glad to see that you are still in circulation. Best regards, Harvey Kravitz --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Tyrone Settlemier wrote: From: Tyrone Settlemier Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:49 PM Not very often that my job and my hobby interesect, but there's an outside horn phonograph featured on the cover of Best's Review, which is a magazine geared toward Property/Casualty insurance companies. http://www.ambest.com/bestreview/200811.html If anyone wants, I can get a better picture of the cover. The cover article is about providing insurance for collectables, but really doesn't have anything about phonographs particularly. Tyrone _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Thu Dec 4 06:06:13 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Thu Dec 4 06:06:37 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover In-Reply-To: <00cd01c955c3$41026730$210110ac@DISCOGRAPHY> References: <00cd01c955c3$41026730$210110ac@DISCOGRAPHY> Message-ID: <002001c95619$778ed3f0$68d6299b@ad.bu.edu> I think they found a crapophone for their cover shot. If they really think it is old, we're in trouble. Ron -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tyrone Settlemier Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:49 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover Not very often that my job and my hobby interesect, but there's an outside horn phonograph featured on the cover of Best's Review, which is a magazine geared toward Property/Casualty insurance companies. http://www.ambest.com/bestreview/200811.html If anyone wants, I can get a better picture of the cover. The cover article is about providing insurance for collectables, but really doesn't have anything about phonographs particularly. Tyrone _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From backden at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 06:45:20 2008 From: backden at yahoo.com (Dennis Back) Date: Thu Dec 4 06:52:11 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover In-Reply-To: <002001c95619$778ed3f0$68d6299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <931286.49062.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well Ron, I think we're in trouble then.? ;) I didn't have time to check this, but if anyone has the old Daniel Marty Phonograph book,? you can see SEVERAL examples of REAL phonographs that look just like the one on the cover.? So don't be too sure it's a fake. Regards, Dennis --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Ron L wrote: From: Ron L Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:06 AM I think they found a crapophone for their cover shot. If they really think it is old, we're in trouble. Ron -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tyrone Settlemier Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:49 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover Not very often that my job and my hobby interesect, but there's an outside horn phonograph featured on the cover of Best's Review, which is a magazine geared toward Property/Casualty insurance companies. http://www.ambest.com/bestreview/200811.html If anyone wants, I can get a better picture of the cover. The cover article is about providing insurance for collectables, but really doesn't have anything about phonographs particularly. Tyrone _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Thu Dec 4 07:08:51 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Thu Dec 4 07:09:38 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover In-Reply-To: <931286.49062.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <002001c95619$778ed3f0$68d6299b@ad.bu.edu> <931286.49062.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c95622$37a46fd0$68d6299b@ad.bu.edu> Good to know. I don't have that book either. I was going by the high position of the crank, mostly. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Back Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover Well Ron, I think we're in trouble then.? ;) I didn't have time to check this, but if anyone has the old Daniel Marty Phonograph book,? you can see SEVERAL examples of REAL phonographs that look just like the one on the cover.? So don't be too sure it's a fake. Regards, Dennis --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Ron L wrote: From: Ron L Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:06 AM I think they found a crapophone for their cover shot. If they really think it is old, we're in trouble. Ron -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tyrone Settlemier Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:49 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Insurance Magazine Cover Not very often that my job and my hobby interesect, but there's an outside horn phonograph featured on the cover of Best's Review, which is a magazine geared toward Property/Casualty insurance companies. http://www.ambest.com/bestreview/200811.html If anyone wants, I can get a better picture of the cover. The cover article is about providing insurance for collectables, but really doesn't have anything about phonographs particularly. Tyrone _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Thu Dec 4 19:45:03 2008 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Thu Dec 4 19:45:15 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Feet for Amberola V Message-ID: <120520080345.29990.4938A3BF000DF3FC000075262213528573039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> I just came home yesterday from a local auction with an Amberola V. Its in great shape, but is missing two of the rounded wooden feet. I assume this is a common problem since the small pegged upper portion of the foot is glued into a hole in the cabinet. Eventually the glue lets go and off goes the foot, many lost forever. Anyway, I need a couple of these to make this early Amberola model V Complete (it is serial number 845 so it was one of the first 1200 sent off to dealers back in 1912-13) according to Frows book. Are there anyone suppliers out there that have repros, or even better some originals off of a derelict cabinet?? Thanks for you help on this. Bruce From jselph at cox.net Thu Dec 4 21:33:26 2008 From: jselph at cox.net (John Selph) Date: Thu Dec 4 21:33:37 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 In-Reply-To: <33DE554C622C4BCDA40948961C0DB425@Home> References: <33DE554C622C4BCDA40948961C0DB425@Home> Message-ID: <38E989C710FE4572A3A109677C0D5B7D@Home> Thanks for all of the suggestions. I'll try locally again and see if I can find a long taper or possibly a "split pin" that will fit, so I can get it back together. That will give me enough time to see what else I need so I can get everything in one order. John I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of John Selph Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:35 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VV-1-1 Can anyone tell me where I can purchase the tapered pin that goes through the spindle and drives the platter for the above phono? That is the last piece that I need to complete this unit, and I'm not in a position to order other parts to reach a minimum purchase amount as required from most dealers. Thanks, John "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --Ernest Hemingway _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonophan at aol.com Fri Dec 5 06:33:05 2008 From: phonophan at aol.com (phonophan@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 5 06:33:22 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Feet for Amberola V In-Reply-To: <120520080345.29990.4938A3BF000DF3FC000075262213528573039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> References: <120520080345.29990.4938A3BF000DF3FC000075262213528573039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB24FD845075D7-8A8-DA@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> Tim Fizer is making those feet. Check out the MAPS directyory for his info. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio -----Original Message----- From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net To: Phonolist Cc: Phono-L Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:45 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Feet for Amberola V I just came home yesterday from a local auction with an Amberola V. Its in great shape, but is missing two of the rounded wooden feet. I assume this is a common problem since the small pegged upper portion of the foot is glued into a hole in the cabinet. Eventually the glue lets go and off goes the foot, many lost forever. Anyway, I need a couple of these to make this early Amberola model V Complete (it is serial number 845 so it was one of the first 1200 sent off to dealers back in 1912-13) according to Frows book. Are there anyone suppliers out there that have repros, or even better some originals off of a derelict cabinet?? Thanks for you help on this. Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Dec 5 06:52:54 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Fri Dec 5 06:53:05 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Feet for Amberola V In-Reply-To: <8CB24FD845075D7-8A8-DA@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <878671.95156.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There was someone else on this board who made me some feet that were an exact match, but now I can't remember who it was.... So why did I bring it up? I was hoping they would pipe up and tell you who they were. John Robles --- On Fri, 12/5/08, phonophan@aol.com wrote: From: phonophan@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Feet for Amberola V To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:33 AM Tim Fizer is making those feet. Check out the MAPS directyory for his info. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio -----Original Message----- From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net To: Phonolist Cc: Phono-L Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:45 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Feet for Amberola V I just came home yesterday from a local auction with an Amberola V. Its in great shape, but is missing two of the rounded wooden feet. I assume this is a common problem since the small pegged upper portion of the foot is glued into a hole in the cabinet. Eventually the glue lets go and off goes the foot, many lost forever. Anyway, I need a couple of these to make this early Amberola model V Complete (it is serial number 845 so it was one of the first 1200 sent off to dealers back in 1912-13) according to Frows book. Are there anyone suppliers out there that have repros, or even better some originals off of a derelict cabinet?? Thanks for you help on this. Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri Dec 5 08:09:33 2008 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Fri Dec 5 08:09:46 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Tim Fizer information Message-ID: <120520081609.16185.4939523D0009104400003F392200751090039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> Unfortunately I do not have a Maps directory, and Tim Fizer is not listed in the MAPS online members list. So if anyone has the information on how to contact him, Please contact me off list bruce78rpm@comcast.net Thanks for all the help on this, Bruce From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 18:20:07 2008 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Fri Dec 5 18:20:18 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola V Message-ID: <476795.15116.qm@web37005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bruce, does your machine have the Amberola 50 or V mechanism? From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri Dec 5 18:56:19 2008 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Fri Dec 5 18:56:31 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola V Message-ID: <120620080256.6618.4939E9D30001497A000019DA2200761064039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> By Amberola 50, I am assuming you are reffering to those V's that came out after the fire with the cheaper mechanisms and shipped starting in May of 1915? The one I have is the earlier type with the original traveling reproducer carriage and telescopic horn connection to a swivel arm. This horn is stationary, and the carrier arm is supported by twin guide rods set in front of the mandrel and has automatic stop cams. It is a function that is so much more interesing and unique then the more common and simpler later version, although the later version offered the more desirable mahogany semi-gloss finish. Bruce -------------- Original message -------------- From: DeeDee Blais > Bruce, does your machine have the Amberola 50 or V mechanism? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From slowpost at clear.net.nz Sat Dec 6 02:04:41 2008 From: slowpost at clear.net.nz (Mark Dawson) Date: Sat Dec 6 02:04:55 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted Knurled knob, speed adjustment screw Columbia BE Message-ID: <001401c9578a$0f2eabb0$0201a8c0@D69S8J1S> I put it out to the universe, search though your Columbia parts and someone out there may turn up for for me the kurled speed adjustment knob off a Columbia Graphophone BE. Thanking you. Mark Dawson NZ. slowpost@clear.net.nz From slowpost at clear.net.nz Sat Dec 6 02:43:04 2008 From: slowpost at clear.net.nz (Mark Dawson) Date: Sat Dec 6 02:58:18 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted Knurled speed ajustment screw for Columbia BF Message-ID: <002701c9578f$6b9449f0$0201a8c0@D69S8J1S> No I got it wrong, it is actually a BF model Graphophone speed ajustment screw , are they the same? Cheers Mark Dawson NZ slowpost@clear.net.nz From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Sat Dec 6 20:22:24 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:20 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Horns for sale. Message-ID: hi by the way what do you think it would run to ship the victor l horn to florida thanks rob In a message dated 12/1/2008 11:43:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, deedeeblais@yahoo.com writes: For Sale: Victor "L" brass bell horn - This is the largest brass bell Victor horn and it's in good original condition. The paint appears old but I can find no traces of a decal. The body has a few bumps & bruises but is very presentable and the bell is excellent. It's a terrific horn for any large Victor and the price is $400. Tulip (Search Light) horn for a cylinder machine. It is difficult to find these horns in wonderful shape and this one is no exception. The paint on the inside is quite nice and the paint on the outside is fair. The price is $200. Brass M/G cylinder horn - This is a very nice cylinder horn. The outside is painted and the inside is brass with irise flowers for decoration. The horn is very striking and the price is $250. Berliner - This is an all black Berliner horn with gold trim in the bell and a thin gold stripe on the body of the horn. It is an exceptional horn in wonderful condition and the price is $750. Columbia rear mount horn - This is a original blue painted embossed metal Columbia horn. It's a very nice all original blue horn with gold trim and would look nice in any ones collection. The price is $250. Edison Triumph M/G horn - This is a very nice all original black horn. The paint is very nice as are the decals. The price is $200. I have collected for over thirty five years and many of these horns have been in my spare horn stack for a long time waiting for the perfect machine for display. I am happy to email photos. I have an opportunity to buy something that I'd really like, so I'm offering them for sale. Please contact me off list at jerry.blais@yahoo.com or call 541-926-2843. Some of the horns are too big to ship at a reasonable cost but making connections at Union or CAPS is easy. Better yet, come to the Salem, Oregon phono sale on May 17th to pick up your horn. Thanks, Jerry _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Sat Dec 6 20:23:18 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted Knurled knob, speed adjustment screw Columbia BE Message-ID: hi i think ron sitko makes them but not sure In a message dated 12/6/2008 5:06:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, slowpost@clear.net.nz writes: I put it out to the universe, search though your Columbia parts and someone out there may turn up for for me the kurled speed adjustment knob off a Columbia Graphophone BE. Thanking you. Mark Dawson NZ. slowpost@clear.net.nz _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 13:03:49 2008 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:28 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks! Message-ID: <628795.54829.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone that bought horns and parts from me recently. I was able to cover the cost of a very nice Baby Regent and that was my goal. Happy Holidays, Jerry From jimcip at earthlink.net Sun Dec 7 15:04:11 2008 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:30 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] FW: Transporting Phonographs Message-ID: <380-22008120723411328@earthlink.net> I have tried to send the forwarded message to "Phono-L-Bounces" & "Phono-L-Request" without it appearing in my mailbox so I'm trying Phoon-L@oldcrank.org to see if it finally gets through to the list. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances Austin, Texas jimcip@earthlink.netr jimcip@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: jimcip@earthlink.net To: phono-l-request@oldcrank.org Sent: 07-Dec-2008 2:13:05 PM Subject: FW: Transporting Phonographs I sent the message here forwarded to "Phono-L Bounces" and it has not appeared in my mailbox so I'm trying "Phono-L Request" to see if it gets through. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances Austin, Texas jimcip@earthlink.net jimcip@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: jimcip@earthlink.net To: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org Sent: 06-Dec-2008 12:42:57 PM Subject: Transporting Phonographs I am buying two upright phonographs that are in the San Francisco area & will need to be hauled to me in Austin, Texas. What is the cheapest & most expedient way to accomplish this. The person I am purchasing them from might be willing to rent a vehicle to bring them to Texas & then fly back to California Or, a transport service might be engaged. Care in transport as well as cost are important factors. Any ideas? Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances Austin, Texas jimcip@earthlink.net From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 07:27:39 2008 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:32 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <457909.74981.qm@web57509.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Steven, You should have received the reproducer last week. Did it arrive OK? Thank you Bill --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Steven Medved wrote: From: Steven Medved Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Curious Edison artifact on eBay To: "Phono-l" Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 12:27 PM Especially when that person is selling a high dollar item and they are too cheap to provide a decent photo, that is what gets me. When you spend a lot of money it is nice to have a decent photo to look at. Does that triumph have pin striping? Can't tell poor, dark cheap photo. Some people crack me up with > their poor pictures on Ebay! _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonolist at mac.com Mon Dec 8 09:54:07 2008 From: phonolist at mac.com (phonolist@mac.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:36 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted Knurled speed ajustment screw for Columbia BF In-Reply-To: <002701c9578f$6b9449f0$0201a8c0@D69S8J1S> References: <002701c9578f$6b9449f0$0201a8c0@D69S8J1S> Message-ID: Is this the one you need? http://cgi.ebay.com/Columbia-Outside-Horn-Phonograph-On-Off-Switch_W0QQitemZ330291361782QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item330291361782&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 On SaturdayDecember 6, 2008, at 2:43 AM, Mark Dawson wrote: > No I got it wrong, it is actually a BF model Graphophone speed > ajustment screw , are they the same? Cheers Mark Dawson NZ slowpost@clear.net.nz > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jimcip at earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 12:32:25 2008 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:38 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request Message-ID: <380-220081218203225513@earthlink.net> I am buying a couple of upright phonographs that are in the San Francisco area and need to get them transported to Austin, Texas. What is the most expedient, safe and cheapest way to accomplish this? Thanks for any suggestions! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances Austin, Texas jimcip@earthlink.net From klinger at modex.com Mon Dec 8 18:33:14 2008 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:39 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Preservation Grants -- Deadline Reminder Message-ID: The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on the link or one of the e-mail addresses below. --- ARSC PRESERVATION GRANTS PROGRAM: DEADLINE REMINDER --- Deadline for receipt of applications: December 15, 2008 The ARSC Program for the Preservation of Classical Music Historical Recordings was founded by Al Schlachtmeyer and the ARSC Board of Directors to encourage and support the preservation of historically significant sound recordings of Western Art Music by individuals and organizations. (This program is separate from the ARSC Research Grants Program, which supports scholarship and publication in the fields of sound recording research and audio preservation.) The ARSC Program for the Preservation of Classical Music Historical Recordings will consider funding: -- Projects involving preservation, in any valid and reasonable fashion, such as providing a collection with proper climate control, moving a collection to facilities with proper storage conditions, re-sleeving a collection of discs, setting up a volunteer project to organize and inventory a stored collection, rescuing recordings from danger, copying recordings from endangered or unstable media, etc. -- Projects promoting public access to recordings. -- Projects involving commercial as well as private, instantaneous recordings. -- Projects involving collections anywhere in the world. (Non-U.S. applicants are encouraged to apply.) The program is administered by an ARSC Grants Committee including the chairman, a member of the ARSC Technical Committee, a member of the ARSC Associated Audio Archives Committee, and an expert on classical music. Grant amounts generally range from $2,000 to $10,000. Grant projects should be completed within 24 months. Written notification of decisions on projects will be made approximately three months after the submission deadline. Send completed applications to: Richard Warren Jr., ARSC Grants Program, Historical Sound Recordings, Yale Music Library, P.O. Box 208240, New Haven, CT 06520-8240, USA. Grant applications must be received by December 15, 2008. For further details, guidelines, and application instructions, visit: http://www.arsc-audio.org/preservationgrants.html. Questions about the Preservation Grants Program should be directed to Mr. Warren at richard.warren@yale.edu. The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From jimcip at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 08:54:22 2008 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:41 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Wanted Message-ID: <380-220081229165422656@earthlink.net> I am buying a couple of upright phonographs that are located in the San Francisco area. What would be the most expedient, safest and cheapest means of having them transported to me in Austin, Texas? Thanks for any advice on this matter! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances Austin, Texas jimcip@earthlink.net jimcip@earthlink.net From jimcip at earthlink.net Wed Dec 10 10:37:27 2008 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:42 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request Message-ID: <380-2200812310183727593@earthlink.net> I am buying two upright phonographs located in the San Francisco area & need to have them transported to Austin, Texas. What is the most expedient, safe and cheapest transportation method for antique phonographs? Thanks! (I have tried several times to send this query but it doesn't appear to be getting through. Is Phono-L in operation?) Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances Austin, Texas jimcip@earthlink.net jimcip@earthlink.net From bandso at charter.net Wed Dec 10 16:01:50 2008 From: bandso at charter.net (Shawn and Beth) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:43:44 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] More Items for Sale In-Reply-To: <20081126200003.F16D0C32AF@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20081126200003.F16D0C32AF@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <007c01c95b23$ab450520$01cf0f60$@net> Hello folks! Thank you for all of the purchases from the last posting. I had so much fun, I am posting some more! Pictures are available on request. Please respond off list. First to say sold gets it! Very nice 14" black and brass horn stamped pat'd. Solid bell with good paint on the body - $150.00 Very hard to find Edison Triumph A square hole crank, Excellent paint, knob, etc. - $200.00 Very nice 10" cone horn for Gem, Q, Eagle, etc. Solid paint/ striping - $165.00 Very nice Columbia AH 20" horn./ Uses the brass elbow - $175.00 5 Berliner Records each in excellent condition, with very hard to find, desirable titles - $500 for all. Can be sold individually priced if there is enough interest. 087 The Handicap March Vess Ossmann 98 Z Kaiser March The Banda Rossa 141Z Songs of Scotland Sousa's Band 0230A El Capitan March Sousa's Band 3018 Nearest and Dearest Mrs. Nellie Wilson Shir-Cliff and Mrs. Margaret Nolan Martin VERY VERY hard to find Christmas record on early etched label 7 inch ZONOPHONE J9375 (O) Holy Night Mr. Ed Franklin (Christmas song) Super, super condition - $100.00 High quality Color Reproduction Columbia Sign board papers suitable for a BS, AS, N. These are fantastically done and very striking! If you need one, ask for a picture and you'll be sold. Includes an instruction card to put on the curved glass - $16.00 each including shipping anywhere in the contiguous states of the USA Thank you Shawn O'Rourke - Bandso@charter.net From loran at oldcrank.com Thu Dec 11 09:45:04 2008 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:53:31 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L is Back Up Message-ID: <998dac550812110945k8ca3166y5003fdf95755a1be@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the inconvenience... Loran From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Thu Dec 11 15:17:45 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 15:16:02 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Wanted Message-ID: hi try greyhound i have shipped several cabinets that way best to all zono In a message dated 12/11/2008 3:39:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jimcip@earthlink.net writes: I am buying a couple of upright phonographs that are located in the San Francisco area. What would be the most expedient, safest and cheapest means of having them transported to me in Austin, Texas? Thanks for any advice on this matter! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances Austin, Texas jimcip@earthlink.net jimcip@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From chrisk33 at cox.net Thu Dec 11 15:09:08 2008 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (chrisk33@cox.net) Date: Thu Dec 11 18:35:10 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request Message-ID: <20081211180908.8BMJC.30699.imail@eastrmwml29> I don[t know if they serve that part of the country, but Craters and Freighters (www.cratersandfreighters.com) is often used for delicate antiques and large radios and has a good reputation. Also there is a company in Maine called AC Delivers (http://www.acdelivers.com/contact.asp) that is a superb antique delivery service, relied on by dealers all over, but they tend to take a while to get to the item and aggregate enough stuff for a delivery to the destination. Any other suggestions? Chris Kocsis ---- "jimcip@earthlink.net" wrote: > I am buying two upright phonographs located in the San Francisco area & need to have them transported > to Austin, Texas. What is the most expedient, safe and cheapest transportation method for antique > phonographs? Thanks! (I have tried several times to send this query but it doesn't appear to be > getting through. Is Phono-L in operation?) > Jim Cartwright > Immortal Performances > Austin, Texas > jimcip@earthlink.net > > > > jimcip@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Aph4990 at aol.com Thu Dec 11 18:46:13 2008 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 18:50:57 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request Message-ID: I had Craters and Freighters move a Victrola 8-35 from Ohio to Denver. They "blanket wrapped" the very heavy unit (no crate necessary) and it arrived in Denver in perfect condition. I wouldn't think that would be a good idea for an open horn unit but for a piece of furniture it worked fine. ---Art Heller **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From antqflea at yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 21:24:55 2008 From: antqflea at yahoo.com (brice paris) Date: Thu Dec 11 21:31:47 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request References: <20081211180908.8BMJC.30699.imail@eastrmwml29> Message-ID: <46040.80338.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would very strongly NOT recommend AC Delivers, Everyone I know including myself (two times) have had a terible experience, contact me off list I will will fill you in on the deatils if you want.? I have personally using? using Keith at 828 432 7510 I would highly recommend him. he has hauled several highend Victrolas coast to coast for me and has done a fantastic job.? He is very reliable, takes very good care and I have found ?him ?very? reasonable.? I have recommended him to several folks and they have been?very pleased.? ________________________________ From: "chrisk33@cox.net" To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request I don[t know if they serve that part of the country, but Craters and Freighters (www.cratersandfreighters.com) is often used for delicate antiques and large radios and has a good reputation.? Also there is a company in Maine called AC Delivers (http://www.acdelivers.com/contact.asp) that is a superb antique delivery service, relied on by dealers all over, but they tend to take a while to get to the item and aggregate enough stuff for a delivery to the destination.? Any other suggestions? Chris Kocsis ---- "jimcip@earthlink.net" wrote: > I am buying two upright phonographs located in the San Francisco area & need to have them transported > to Austin, Texas.? ? What is the most expedient, safe and cheapest transportation method for antique > phonographs?? ? Thanks!? ? (I have tried several times to send this query but it doesn't appear to be > getting through.? ? Is Phono-L in operation?) >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Jim Cartwright >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Immortal Performances >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Austin, Texas >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? jimcip@earthlink.net >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > > jimcip@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ElCaminoNYC at aol.com Fri Dec 12 02:44:17 2008 From: ElCaminoNYC at aol.com (ElCaminoNYC@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 12 02:44:32 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request Message-ID: I also use Keith---he has done a great job and has always been cheaper than even UPS on smaller items like wood horns--- In a message dated 12/12/2008 12:37:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, antqflea@yahoo.com writes: I would very strongly NOT recommend AC Delivers, Everyone I know including myself (two times) have had a terible experience, contact me off list I will will fill you in on the deatils if you want. I have personally using using Keith at 828 432 7510 I would highly recommend him. he has hauled several highend Victrolas coast to coast for me and has done a fantastic job. He is very reliable, takes very good care and I have found him very reasonable. I have recommended him to several folks and they have been very pleased. ________________________________ From: "chrisk33@cox.net" To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request I don[t know if they serve that part of the country, but Craters and Freighters (www.cratersandfreighters.com) is often used for delicate antiques and large radios and has a good reputation. Also there is a company in Maine called AC Delivers (http://www.acdelivers.com/contact.asp) that is a superb antique delivery service, relied on by dealers all over, but they tend to take a while to get to the item and aggregate enough stuff for a delivery to the destination. Any other suggestions? Chris Kocsis ---- "jimcip@earthlink.net" wrote: > I am buying two upright phonographs located in the San Francisco area & need to have them transported > to Austin, Texas. What is the most expedient, safe and cheapest transportation method for antique > phonographs? Thanks! (I have tried several times to send this query but it doesn't appear to be > getting through. Is Phono-L in operation?) > Jim Cartwright > Immortal Performances > Austin, Texas > jimcip@earthlink.net > > > > jimcip@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From rvuill at comcast.net Fri Dec 12 05:48:50 2008 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Fri Dec 12 05:57:19 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request References: Message-ID: <7ACE7E9DFFAC4ABD95C5B851F7A7DDE8@your4dacd0ea75> Is Keith the guy from New Zeeland that now lives in Florida? If so, I used him to transport an RE 45 radio phonograph from Ma. to the west coast. He was reliable and his price was a lot better than others. I originally got his name from someone on this list. Can anyone confirm that this is the same person? RMV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request >I also use Keith---he has done a great job and has always been cheaper than > even UPS on smaller items like wood horns--- > > > In a message dated 12/12/2008 12:37:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > antqflea@yahoo.com writes: > > I would very strongly NOT recommend AC Delivers, Everyone I know > including > myself (two times) have had a terible experience, contact me off list I > will > will fill you in on the deatils if you want. I have personally using > using > Keith at 828 432 7510 I would highly recommend him. he has hauled several > highend Victrolas coast to coast for me and has done a fantastic job. He > is very > reliable, takes very good care and I have found him very reasonable. > I > have recommended him to several folks and they have been very pleased. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "chrisk33@cox.net" > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request > > I don[t know if they serve that part of the country, but Craters and > Freighters (www.cratersandfreighters.com) is often used for delicate > antiques and > large radios and has a good reputation. Also there is a company in Maine > called AC Delivers (http://www.acdelivers.com/contact.asp) that is a > superb > antique delivery service, relied on by dealers all over, but they tend to > take a > while to get to the item and aggregate enough stuff for a delivery to the > destination. > > Any other suggestions? > > Chris Kocsis > ---- "jimcip@earthlink.net" wrote: >> I am buying two upright phonographs located in the San Francisco area & > need to have them transported >> to Austin, Texas. What is the most expedient, safe and cheapest > transportation method for antique >> phonographs? Thanks! (I have tried several times to send this >> query > but it doesn't appear to be >> getting through. Is Phono-L in operation?) >> Jim Cartwright >> Immortal Performances >> Austin, Texas >> jimcip@earthlink.net >> >> >> >> jimcip@earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM From ElCaminoNYC at aol.com Fri Dec 12 06:05:22 2008 From: ElCaminoNYC at aol.com (ElCaminoNYC@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 12 06:10:53 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request Message-ID: the Keith I know is from the Carolinas In a message dated 12/12/2008 9:02:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rvuill@comcast.net writes: Is Keith the guy from New Zeeland that now lives in Florida? If so, I used him to transport an RE 45 radio phonograph from Ma. to the west coast. He was reliable and his price was a lot better than others. I originally got his name from someone on this list. Can anyone confirm that this is the same person? RMV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request >I also use Keith---he has done a great job and has always been cheaper than > even UPS on smaller items like wood horns--- > > > In a message dated 12/12/2008 12:37:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > antqflea@yahoo.com writes: > > I would very strongly NOT recommend AC Delivers, Everyone I know > including > myself (two times) have had a terible experience, contact me off list I > will > will fill you in on the deatils if you want. I have personally using > using > Keith at 828 432 7510 I would highly recommend him. he has hauled several > highend Victrolas coast to coast for me and has done a fantastic job. He > is very > reliable, takes very good care and I have found him very reasonable. > I > have recommended him to several folks and they have been very pleased. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "chrisk33@cox.net" > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request > > I don[t know if they serve that part of the country, but Craters and > Freighters (www.cratersandfreighters.com) is often used for delicate > antiques and > large radios and has a good reputation. Also there is a company in Maine > called AC Delivers (http://www.acdelivers.com/contact.asp) that is a > superb > antique delivery service, relied on by dealers all over, but they tend to > take a > while to get to the item and aggregate enough stuff for a delivery to the > destination. > > Any other suggestions? > > Chris Kocsis > ---- "jimcip@earthlink.net" wrote: >> I am buying two upright phonographs located in the San Francisco area & > need to have them transported >> to Austin, Texas. What is the most expedient, safe and cheapest > transportation method for antique >> phonographs? Thanks! (I have tried several times to send this >> query > but it doesn't appear to be >> getting through. Is Phono-L in operation?) >> Jim Cartwright >> Immortal Performances >> Austin, Texas >> jimcip@earthlink.net >> >> >> >> jimcip@earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From rvuill at comcast.net Fri Dec 12 06:53:05 2008 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Fri Dec 12 06:53:16 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request References: Message-ID: I could be wrong about Florida. I know it was somewhere in the south. This guy had an Ausie accent. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request > the Keith I know is from the Carolinas > > > In a message dated 12/12/2008 9:02:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rvuill@comcast.net writes: > > Is Keith the guy from New Zeeland that now lives in Florida? If so, I > used > him to transport an RE 45 radio phonograph from Ma. to the west coast. > He > was reliable and his price was a lot better than others. I originally > got > his name from someone on this list. Can anyone confirm that this is the > same person? > > > RMV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request > > >>I also use Keith---he has done a great job and has always been cheaper >>than >> even UPS on smaller items like wood horns--- >> >> >> In a message dated 12/12/2008 12:37:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> antqflea@yahoo.com writes: >> >> I would very strongly NOT recommend AC Delivers, Everyone I know >> including >> myself (two times) have had a terible experience, contact me off list I >> will >> will fill you in on the deatils if you want. I have personally using >> using >> Keith at 828 432 7510 I would highly recommend him. he has hauled >> several >> highend Victrolas coast to coast for me and has done a fantastic job. >> He >> is very >> reliable, takes very good care and I have found him very reasonable. >> I >> have recommended him to several folks and they have been very pleased. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "chrisk33@cox.net" >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Transport Information Request >> >> I don[t know if they serve that part of the country, but Craters and >> Freighters (www.cratersandfreighters.com) is often used for delicate >> antiques and >> large radios and has a good reputation. Also there is a company in >> Maine >> called AC Delivers (http://www.acdelivers.com/contact.asp) that is a >> superb >> antique delivery service, relied on by dealers all over, but they tend >> to >> take a >> while to get to the item and aggregate enough stuff for a delivery to >> the >> destination. >> >> Any other suggestions? >> >> Chris Kocsis >> ---- "jimcip@earthlink.net" wrote: >>> I am buying two upright phonographs located in the San Francisco area >>> & >> need to have them transported >>> to Austin, Texas. What is the most expedient, safe and cheapest >> transportation method for antique >>> phonographs? Thanks! (I have tried several times to send this >>> query >> but it doesn't appear to be >>> getting through. Is Phono-L in operation?) >>> Jim Cartwright >>> Immortal Performances >>> Austin, Texas >>> jimcip@earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> jimcip@earthlink.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and >> favorite sites in one place. Try it now. >> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: > 12/11/2008 > 8:36 AM > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:36 AM From gbogantz1 at charter.net Sat Dec 13 15:11:09 2008 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Sat Dec 13 15:34:59 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***Bargain Victor 10-35 cabinet Message-ID: <4CD59889FF7944448D957D144F334197@gbhpa1514n> I just stumbled onto this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-wood-turntable_W0QQitemZ170285399152QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item170285399152&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318 I'm pretty sure this is a Victor 10-35 cabinet. The seller doesn't say much about it, and there isn't much time to ask questions as the sale closes in 6 hours. There may be nothing inside it, but who knows. If anybody needs what looks like a fairly nice cabinet for a 10-35, you might at least get that for a song. Greg Bogantz From lherault at verizon.net Sun Dec 14 20:54:29 2008 From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun Dec 14 21:55:00 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola VIII and cyl cabinet questions Message-ID: <2D412324C41E4E55A9D6E487B733CF6F@ronlherault> I have recently acquired an Amberola VIII that I think someone modified to run on an electric motor once. The electric motor was already gone though as was most of the original spring motor. Sooo, the questions are: 1. What is the original size (OD and diameter at the belt groove bottom) of the pulley on the spring motor. 2. Is this pulley very heavy for its size. 3. Should it have a cork lining to the pulley groove? 4. There is an oblong hole in the back plate to the right of the cut out for the horn neck. I suspect the on/off electrical switch was there but I am not sure. Has anyone seen a hole like this in their VIII? And on a separate note, I've been given a cylinder cabinet, a rather simple design with flat board shelves that have grooves in them into which one glues cardboard "pegs". Toilet paper and paper towel inner cardboard tubes are the right size, by the way. The hooks that keep the shelves from pulling all the way out are missing. Anyone have a source for replacement hooks. They are a rather critical component. Thanks, Ron L From rvuill at comcast.net Mon Dec 15 07:50:51 2008 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Mon Dec 15 07:51:02 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola VIII and cyl cabinet questions References: <2D412324C41E4E55A9D6E487B733CF6F@ronlherault> Message-ID: <392444DC0F9447A5819C587B88976EE5@your4dacd0ea75> Ron, The Amberola VIII uses a Fireside motor. If you are familiar with that model you can use it as a reference. I've had a couple of these and can't remember any oblong hole in the bed. However, I believe the bed is cast iron and I think it would be rather difficult to cut a hole in it. Is there any black paint like that on the top of the bed in the hole? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron L'Herault" To: ; "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola VIII and cyl cabinet questions >I have recently acquired an Amberola VIII that I think someone modified to > run on an electric motor once. The electric motor was already gone though > as was most of the original spring motor. Sooo, the questions are: > > 1. What is the original size (OD and diameter at the belt groove bottom) > of > the pulley on the spring motor. > > 2. Is this pulley very heavy for its size. > > 3. Should it have a cork lining to the pulley groove? > > 4. There is an oblong hole in the back plate to the right of the cut out > for > the horn neck. I suspect the on/off electrical switch was there but I am > not sure. Has anyone seen a hole like this in their VIII? > > And on a separate note, > I've been given a cylinder cabinet, a rather simple design with flat board > shelves that have grooves in them into which one glues cardboard "pegs". > Toilet paper and paper towel inner cardboard tubes are the right size, by > the way. > > The hooks that keep the shelves from pulling all the way out are missing. > Anyone have a source for replacement hooks. They are a rather critical > component. > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 12/13/2008 4:56 PM From lherault at bu.edu Mon Dec 15 08:06:32 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Mon Dec 15 08:07:03 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola VIII and cyl cabinet questions In-Reply-To: <392444DC0F9447A5819C587B88976EE5@your4dacd0ea75> References: <2D412324C41E4E55A9D6E487B733CF6F@ronlherault> <392444DC0F9447A5819C587B88976EE5@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <004b01c95ecf$18deb6e0$6fd6299b@ad.bu.edu> The hole is in the sheet metal cover that goes at the very back of the cabinet behind the neck of the stationary horn. Ron -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:51 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola VIII and cyl cabinet questions Ron, The Amberola VIII uses a Fireside motor. If you are familiar with that model you can use it as a reference. I've had a couple of these and can't remember any oblong hole in the bed. However, I believe the bed is cast iron and I think it would be rather difficult to cut a hole in it. Is there any black paint like that on the top of the bed in the hole? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron L'Herault" To: ; "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola VIII and cyl cabinet questions >I have recently acquired an Amberola VIII that I think someone modified to > run on an electric motor once. The electric motor was already gone though > as was most of the original spring motor. Sooo, the questions are: > > 1. What is the original size (OD and diameter at the belt groove bottom) > of > the pulley on the spring motor. > > 2. Is this pulley very heavy for its size. > > 3. Should it have a cork lining to the pulley groove? > > 4. There is an oblong hole in the back plate to the right of the cut out > for > the horn neck. I suspect the on/off electrical switch was there but I am > not sure. Has anyone seen a hole like this in their VIII? > > And on a separate note, > I've been given a cylinder cabinet, a rather simple design with flat board > shelves that have grooves in them into which one glues cardboard "pegs". > Toilet paper and paper towel inner cardboard tubes are the right size, by > the way. > > The hooks that keep the shelves from pulling all the way out are missing. > Anyone have a source for replacement hooks. They are a rather critical > component. > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 12/13/2008 4:56 PM _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Dec 15 20:26:23 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon Dec 15 20:26:35 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] An eBay warning to all Message-ID: <841853.21562.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all I had not been able to sign into my eBay account for a week. I signed on as a guest and reported the problem. No response from eBay. Finally today I signed onto a friend's account and got onto the Live Help area. After reporting my problem, the eBay rep asked me to sign out of my friend's account and back on via the Guest sign on.? I did so, and identified myself to the new rep and reported my problem. She checked into it and found that my account had been tampered with by someone else who attempted to change my email and password. eBay caught it in time and suspended the account. They did not tell me if any listings had been made, but they did say that if any were placed that they had been removed and credited. Here's the scary part - I checked my eBay message box and there was an alert from eBay informing me that my account had been accessed by unauthorized persons and that they had taken action to secure it. I recognized the alert as having been emailed to me a few days ago, but it went to my spam box, not my regular email box. I deleted it thinking it was spam, because it said 'your account may have been accessed by unauthorized parties'. This is a typical phishing line that is used in emails where account information is sought by scaring you into thinking there is a problem. So the moral is read those spam emails, they may be for real! John Robles From john1.carr at ge.com Mon Dec 15 13:34:54 2008 From: john1.carr at ge.com (Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy)) Date: Mon Dec 15 20:31:32 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Unknown Victor? Message-ID: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> I just saw an external horn tabletop phonograph at an antique store for 1400. I have never seen one like it before. It has a very elaborate wood case with a glass window in front of the motor. The case is tall with a drawer in the side. The is a victor decal on the front. I could not find a name plate. Can anyone tell me what this is? From loran at oldcrank.com Mon Dec 15 20:37:20 2008 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Mon Dec 15 20:37:30 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Unknown Victor? In-Reply-To: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: It's a crapophone. Regards, Loran On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy) wrote: > I just saw an external horn tabletop phonograph at an antique store > for > 1400. I have never seen one like it before. It has a very elaborate > wood > case with a glass window in front of the motor. The case is tall > with a > drawer in the side. The is a victor decal on the front. I could not > find > a name plate. Can anyone tell me what this is? From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Dec 15 20:38:15 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon Dec 15 20:39:06 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Unknown Victor? In-Reply-To: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <252433.17173.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like an India-made reproduction. Actually they are not reproduction, they are new inventions. The motors come from suitcase portables, the cabinets and horns are newly made, and the decals usually are not like any decal ever used on an original phonograph. I would stay well clear of it, and I am thinking the antiques dealer got taken (I hope he is not trying to swindle anyone!). You can see a picture of these items on sbay by searching on 'Gramophone'. I have seen the model you describe. John Robles --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy) wrote: From: Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy) Subject: [Phono-L] Unknown Victor? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 1:34 PM I just saw an external horn tabletop phonograph at an antique store for 1400. I have never seen one like it before. It has a very elaborate wood case with a glass window in front of the motor. The case is tall with a drawer in the side. The is a victor decal on the front. I could not find a name plate. Can anyone tell me what this is? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From victrola at triton.net Tue Dec 16 04:19:12 2008 From: victrola at triton.net (George) Date: Tue Dec 16 04:19:22 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Unknown Victor? References: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <93C164B83B3B42F980465E0F581F99A3@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Sure sounds like a Crapophone. George ----- Original Message ----- From: Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Unknown Victor? I just saw an external horn tabletop phonograph at an antique store for 1400. I have never seen one like it before. It has a very elaborate wood case with a glass window in front of the motor. The case is tall with a drawer in the side. The is a victor decal on the front. I could not find a name plate. Can anyone tell me what this is? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From chrisk33 at cox.net Tue Dec 16 06:04:19 2008 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Tue Dec 16 06:04:31 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone In-Reply-To: <93C164B83B3B42F980465E0F581F99A3@VALUEDCB7D4C82> References: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> <93C164B83B3B42F980465E0F581F99A3@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Message-ID: <4947B563.2040609@cox.net> Have you seen this? No **** insult intended, I think it's kind of neat :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110325545679 Chris George wrote: > Sure sounds like a Crapophone. > George > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy) > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:34 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Unknown Victor? > > > I just saw an external horn tabletop phonograph at an antique store for > 1400. I have never seen one like it before. It has a very elaborate wood > case with a glass window in front of the motor. The case is tall with a > drawer in the side. The is a victor decal on the front. I could not find > a name plate. Can anyone tell me what this is? > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From cylinders at rogers.com Tue Dec 16 08:02:05 2008 From: cylinders at rogers.com (Herman Wedemire) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:20:24 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone Message-ID: <742505.18439.qm@web88306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Looks like a great teaching or demonstration tool. Herman ________________________________ From: Chris Kocsis To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:04:19 AM Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone Have you seen this?? No **** insult intended, I think it's kind of neat :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110325545679 Chris George wrote: > Sure sounds like a Crapophone. > George >? ----- Original Message ----- >? From: Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy) >? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >? Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:34 PM >? Subject: [Phono-L] Unknown Victor? > > >? I just saw an external horn tabletop phonograph at an antique store for >? 1400. I have never seen one like it before. It has a very elaborate wood >? case with a glass window in front of the motor. The case is tall with a >? drawer in the side. The is a victor decal on the front. I could not find >? a name plate. Can anyone tell me what this is? >? _______________________________________________ >? Phono-L mailing list >? http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jnichol at fuse.net Tue Dec 16 16:06:27 2008 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Tue Dec 16 16:06:39 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone In-Reply-To: <4947B563.2040609@cox.net> References: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> <93C164B83B3B42F980465E0F581F99A3@VALUEDCB7D4C82> <4947B563.2040609@cox.net> Message-ID: Yes, it's an impressive looking toy! Jim Nichol On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Chris Kocsis wrote: > Have you seen this? No **** insult intended, I think it's kind of > neat :-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110325545679 > > Chris From jffriedman at verizon.net Tue Dec 16 15:54:34 2008 From: jffriedman at verizon.net (Jeffrey Friedman) Date: Tue Dec 16 16:55:42 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone References: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> <93C164B83B3B42F980465E0F581F99A3@VALUEDCB7D4C82> <4947B563.2040609@cox.net> Message-ID: <000901c95fd9$a58e2cf0$0201a8c0@JeffsDell> I assembled one of these kits a few months back. The instructions were in Japanese only, but the illustrations were enough to get me through the assembly, and one of the sellers has translated the later part of the manual which includes experiments on changing the geometry of the soundbox. I have not yet tried recording with it, which you can do using a plastic substrate (like a CD you don't mind wrecking, or one of those red Edison dictation blanks you can find on eBay) and a groove guide. It comes with some bamboo needles and a cutter, the needles work well on 78s but I haven't tried them on 45s or 33s, though the kit will let you play records at those speeds by gearing the turntable. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone > Have you seen this? No **** insult intended, I think it's kind of neat > :-) > From lherault at bu.edu Tue Dec 16 18:45:57 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Tue Dec 16 18:46:33 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone In-Reply-To: <000901c95fd9$a58e2cf0$0201a8c0@JeffsDell> References: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com><93C164B83B3B42F980465E0F581F99A3@VALUEDCB7D4C82><4947B563.2040609@cox.net> <000901c95fd9$a58e2cf0$0201a8c0@JeffsDell> Message-ID: Is it a metal diaphragm, Jeff? Would it work in an Orthophonic reproducer? Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Friedman Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:55 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone I assembled one of these kits a few months back. The instructions were in Japanese only, but the illustrations were enough to get me through the assembly, and one of the sellers has translated the later part of the manual which includes experiments on changing the geometry of the soundbox. I have not yet tried recording with it, which you can do using a plastic substrate (like a CD you don't mind wrecking, or one of those red Edison dictation blanks you can find on eBay) and a groove guide. It comes with some bamboo needles and a cutter, the needles work well on 78s but I haven't tried them on 45s or 33s, though the kit will let you play records at those speeds by gearing the turntable. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone > Have you seen this? No **** insult intended, I think it's kind of neat > :-) > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jffriedman at verizon.net Tue Dec 16 19:34:11 2008 From: jffriedman at verizon.net (Jeffrey Friedman) Date: Tue Dec 16 20:34:30 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone References: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B066FE26A@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com><93C164B83B3B42F980465E0F581F99A3@VALUEDCB7D4C82><4947B563.2040609@cox.net> <000901c95fd9$a58e2cf0$0201a8c0@JeffsDell> Message-ID: <005801c95ff8$543a3a00$0201a8c0@JeffsDell> It looks like aluminum. The tone arm tracks fairly light, but to record you change a weight on the arm to make it heavier (and replace the fibre needle with a steel one). I hadn't thought of trying to use it in a real reproducer, that's something to try out one day. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron L'Herault" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone > Is it a metal diaphragm, Jeff? Would it work in an Orthophonic > reproducer? > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of Jeffrey Friedman > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:55 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone > > I assembled one of these kits a few months back. The instructions were in > Japanese only, but the illustrations were enough to get me through the > assembly, and one of the sellers has translated the later part of the > manual > > which includes experiments on changing the geometry of the soundbox. I > have > > not yet tried recording with it, which you can do using a plastic > substrate > (like a CD you don't mind wrecking, or one of those red Edison dictation > blanks you can find on eBay) and a groove guide. It comes with some > bamboo > needles and a cutter, the needles work well on 78s but I haven't tried > them > on 45s or 33s, though the kit will let you play records at those speeds by > gearing the turntable. > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Kocsis" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:04 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] A new twist on a ****ophone > > >> Have you seen this? No **** insult intended, I think it's kind of neat >> :-) >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From klinger at modex.com Wed Dec 17 18:20:32 2008 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Wed Dec 17 18:20:47 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference 2009 -- Save the Dates Message-ID: The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on one of the links or e-mail addresses below. --- SAVE THE DATES: 2009 ARSC CONFERENCE, WASHINGTON, DC --- The 43rd annual ARSC Conference will be held at The Liaison Capitol Hill, an Affinia Hotel, at 415 New Jersey Avenue NW, Washington, DC, May 27-30, 2009. The hotel, which opened April 1, 2008, is located three blocks from Union Station, ten minutes from Reagan National Airport, and within walking distance of the U.S. Capitol, Library of Congress, the memorials on the National Mall, and the Smithsonian museums. For ARSC conference attendees, a block of rooms has been reserved for the nights of May 26-30, at a special rate of $149 per night, single or double (one king bed or two queen beds). The rate also applies three days prior and one day after the conference, based on availability. Reservations must be made by May 5, 2009 at (866) 233-4642 or reservations@affinia.com. Remember to request the ARSC 2009 DC Conference Rate. Rooms are available on a first-come, first-served basis. We expect our room block to sell out before the conference, and possibly prior to May 5. For more information about the Liaison Capitol Hill: http://www.affinia.com/Washington-DC-Hotel.aspx?name=Liaison-Capitol-Hill PRE-CONFERENCE TOUR OF NAVCC: ARSC is planning a pre-conference tour of the new Library of Congress National Audio-Visual Conservation Center (NAVCC). The Packard Campus of the NAVCC, located on a beautiful 45-acre site near Culpeper, Virginia, is a state-of-the-art facility with unprecedented capabilities for audiovisual preservation and access. Chartered buses will depart from The Liaison Capitol Hill on the morning of May 27, and return tour participants to the hotel between 5:00 and 6:00 p.m. The tour will be limited to 100 people, and a separate registration fee will apply. For more information about NAVCC: http://www.loc.gov/avconservation/packard/ ARSC CONFERENCE WEBSITE Additional details will be added to: http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/ In February or March 2009, registration forms for the conference and pre-conference tour will be on the website. Registration fees won't be set until that time. Questions regarding the conference should be directed to Brenda Nelson-Strauss, ARSC Conference Manager, at bnelsons@indiana.edu The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From klinger at modex.com Wed Dec 17 18:37:59 2008 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Wed Dec 17 18:38:12 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference 2009 -- Call for Presentations -- Deadline Reminder Message-ID: The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on the link or e-mail address below. --- DEADLINE REMINDER: 2009 ARSC CONFERENCE, CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS --- Proposal deadline: January 5, 2009 ARSC invites presentation proposals for its 43rd annual conference, to be held May 27-30, 2009, in Washington, DC. ARSC is dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods -- and welcomes presentations on all aspects of recorded sound of interest to our community of collectors, historians, musicians, preservationists, and archivists. In general, we seek talks, papers, panel sessions, and demonstrations that are informative and well organized, display a passion about their subjects, and include compelling audio and visual content. We especially welcome presentations that showcase Washington, DC and the greater mid-Atlantic area. Presentation proposals are due January 5, 2009. Please use the submission form on the ARSC website: http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/ Presenters will be notified of acceptance by January 31, 2009. For more information, contact David Giovannoni, ARSC Program Chair: dgio-arsc@comcast.net. The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization, unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From lherault at bu.edu Fri Dec 19 07:09:32 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Fri Dec 19 07:10:33 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond B stylus size/dimensions. Message-ID: <002901c961eb$cc293030$6fd6299b@ad.bu.edu> Does anyone have handy, the dimensions, tip size for the diamond on an Edison Diamond B stylus? If there is a comparable modern stylus, I was thinking of trying to fabricate my own replacement for a worn tip. Thanks, Ron L From hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com Fri Dec 19 12:38:33 2008 From: hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com (Hawthorn's Antique Audio) Date: Sat Dec 20 10:17:40 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***commercial - 20th Anniversary Auction closes in two weeks Message-ID: <1719017883AF4D53A1C449A92AF41560@Tom> Hi Everyone, Just a quick reminder - our 20th Anniversary auction closes on January 2, 2009. That's only two weeks away, and we don't want any of you to miss out on all those great records. Remember, every 20th bidder receives an automatic 20% discount on his or her winnings - maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones. If you don't have our auction catalog, there's still time to request a PDF copy by email. We wish everyone quiet joy and deep peace for the holiday season, and for the upcoming new year. Tom Hawthorn Hawthorn's Antique Audio www.thoseoldrecords.com hawthorn@thoseoldrecords.com From lherault at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 17:10:27 2008 From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun Dec 21 18:14:37 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor 2-35 and 2-55 questions Message-ID: <214C5E3A12564553A1F86926141CA520@ronlherault> A friend has purchased what I believe is a 2-35, since it has a one piece tone arm. The arm ends in a flange with three holes. The Victor Data book says that it take the Orthophonic #5. This is the typical Ortho reproducer which usually mounts via pin-into-L shaped-slot. Is there some kind of special back on some Orthos to mount to the 3 screw flange or is there some interconnecting piece that makes mounting in the typical fashion possible? Also, the deck is smooth and painted a rather odd color. Should it have the rough surface paint found on the deck of the 2-55? This leads me to my questions about the 2-55. Does anyone have a good picture of the deck so that I can see what color it should be? Mine is rather dark and rusty looking. I also need either a picture of or an actual circlip that holds down the turntable. If it is a typical clip rather than a special one, I can find it at a hardware store I hope. Has anyone ever reproduced the rubber cup that the reproducer sits in for travel? Has anyone identified a good source for the leather handle used on these portables? I'm thinking of looking at Vandykes Restorers as a possible source. I think it is riveted on, bringing me to another question. What is a good source for these rivets and rivets in general? Thanks, Ron L From jeffryy at prevea.com Mon Dec 22 06:23:16 2008 From: jeffryy at prevea.com (Jeffry Young, D.O.) Date: Mon Dec 22 06:35:33 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Frankenstien-o-phone In-Reply-To: <214C5E3A12564553A1F86926141CA520@ronlherault> References: <214C5E3A12564553A1F86926141CA520@ronlherault> Message-ID: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA0471@mercury.prevea.com> Check this one out! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120352963369&_trksid= p2759.l1259 Zonophone base, Columbia back bracket and elbow, Victor reproducer, and sawed off after-market cylinder phonograph horn! It's Frankenstien-o-phone! All for the low, low, buy-it-now price of $2750! Merry Christmas to all! Jeff Wisconsin _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From thatcher at mediaguide.com Mon Dec 22 09:58:09 2008 From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham) Date: Mon Dec 22 10:07:19 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - need restoration help] Message-ID: <494FD531.40507@mediaguide.com> A heartbreaking story of damaged 78s in Atlanta. If any of you have experience in this matter please let me know. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - need restoration help Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:21:38 -0500 From: Thomas Shanks Reply-To: College Broadcasters, Inc To: CBI@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU From The Collegiate Broadcasters, Inc. (CBI) Listserv>> Our radio station's storage area was steamed in a sauna from a broken steam pipe for probably 7 days before we were informed last week. We have a full complement of high-quality used analog studio equipment (an entire disassembled old studio) and a few hundred 78s that were too wet to handle until today as the room was dried with a dehumidifier. They are still damp, so it's time to do what we need to do to save what can be saved. What should we do to save the 78s? What should we do to save the reel tape? And the audio equipment? Thank you for any help you can give, Thomas Shanks Chief Engineer WREK Georgia Tech Student Radio -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer Mediaguide 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305 King of Prussia, PA 19406 From gbogantz1 at charter.net Mon Dec 22 10:32:39 2008 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Mon Dec 22 10:44:09 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - needrestoration help] References: <494FD531.40507@mediaguide.com> Message-ID: <83C9753B7B794BCEBEA956DE976F70A6@gbhpa1514n> Well, assuming that the 78s weren't exposed to heat from the steam pipe break and that they have only a water soaking, there's probably nothing wrong with them except for some potential label damage. Check for obvious warpage or cracking and dispose of those records. The ones that appear undamaged otherwise should be removed from any damaged paper sleeves and rewashed as quickly as possible to remove any wet paper residue while protecting their labels from the washing. Shellac records (or vinyl or styrene 45s) are not damaged by washing in water. They should then be thoroughly rinsed with distilled water, dried, and returned to new record sleeves. The analog audio equipment is another story. About the only thing to do is to dry it out COMPLETELY, then check each piece carefully for any signs of water damage. Older equipment that does not contain circuit boards may well survive with little more than a good drying out, then maybe a brushing out of any foreign residue from the chassis. Circuit boards need to be checked for evidence of water stains that can cause short circuits. These stains can often be cleaned off with alcohol and a stiff brush. Some of the capacitors might need to be replaced, but that needs to be determined on an individual basis. Mechanical equipment such as turntables and tape decks will need to have their mechanics cleaned and relubricated. But most of this equipment is probably recoverable if there is interest in doing it. Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thatcher Graham" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - needrestoration help] >A heartbreaking story of damaged 78s in Atlanta. > If any of you have experience in this matter please let me know. > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - need restoration help > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:21:38 -0500 > From: Thomas Shanks > Reply-To: College Broadcasters, Inc > To: CBI@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > > > > From The Collegiate Broadcasters, Inc. (CBI) Listserv>> > > Our radio station's storage area was steamed in a sauna from a broken > steam pipe for probably 7 days before we were informed last week. We have > a full complement of high-quality used analog studio equipment (an entire > disassembled old studio) and a few hundred 78s that were too wet to handle > until today as the room was dried with a dehumidifier. They are still > damp, so it's time to do what we need to do to save what can be saved. > > What should we do to save the 78s? > > What should we do to save the reel tape? > > And the audio equipment? > > Thank you for any help you can give, > > Thomas Shanks > Chief Engineer > WREK Georgia Tech Student Radio > > > -- > Thatcher Graham > Senior Field Engineer > Mediaguide > 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305 > King of Prussia, PA 19406 > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From esroberto at hotmail.com Mon Dec 22 12:17:01 2008 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Mon Dec 22 12:17:21 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment -needrestoration help] References: <494FD531.40507@mediaguide.com> <83C9753B7B794BCEBEA956DE976F70A6@gbhpa1514n> Message-ID: Sage advice, Greg, exactly what I would've suggested if I'd gotten to it earlier. Additionally, I was going to mention baking the 78's that did receive warping. I've had great luck with popping them in the oven for a minute or two at 150 degrees (checking them for pliability every 15 seconds or so) as long as they were shellac (no vinyl or 'metrolite' or anything like that, strictly pre-war shellac). Best thing to use is a pair of 16"x16" sheets of glass, one to bake on and one to cool on, both as clean as possible. I was able to get a 2" circular raised spot on an unplayable Caruso G&T to flatten perfectly and play without incident with this method. Best to all (and stay warm, for pete's sake!), Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Bogantz" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment -needrestoration help] > Well, assuming that the 78s weren't exposed to heat from the steam pipe > break and that they have only a water soaking, there's probably nothing > wrong with them except for some potential label damage. Check for obvious > warpage or cracking and dispose of those records. The ones that appear > undamaged otherwise should be removed from any damaged paper sleeves and > rewashed as quickly as possible to remove any wet paper residue while > protecting their labels from the washing. Shellac records (or vinyl or > styrene 45s) are not damaged by washing in water. They should then be > thoroughly rinsed with distilled water, dried, and returned to new record > sleeves. > > The analog audio equipment is another story. About the only thing to > do is to dry it out COMPLETELY, then check each piece carefully for any > signs of water damage. Older equipment that does not contain circuit > boards may well survive with little more than a good drying out, then > maybe a brushing out of any foreign residue from the chassis. Circuit > boards need to be checked for evidence of water stains that can cause > short circuits. These stains can often be cleaned off with alcohol and a > stiff brush. Some of the capacitors might need to be replaced, but that > needs to be determined on an individual basis. Mechanical equipment such > as turntables and tape decks will need to have their mechanics cleaned and > relubricated. But most of this equipment is probably recoverable if there > is interest in doing it. > > Greg Bogantz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thatcher Graham" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:58 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - > needrestoration help] > > >>A heartbreaking story of damaged 78s in Atlanta. >> If any of you have experience in this matter please let me know. >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - need restoration help >> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:21:38 -0500 >> From: Thomas Shanks >> Reply-To: College Broadcasters, Inc >> To: CBI@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU >> >> >> >> From The Collegiate Broadcasters, Inc. (CBI) Listserv>> >> >> Our radio station's storage area was steamed in a sauna from a broken >> steam pipe for probably 7 days before we were informed last week. We >> have a full complement of high-quality used analog studio equipment (an >> entire disassembled old studio) and a few hundred 78s that were too wet >> to handle until today as the room was dried with a dehumidifier. They >> are still damp, so it's time to do what we need to do to save what can be >> saved. >> >> What should we do to save the 78s? >> >> What should we do to save the reel tape? >> >> And the audio equipment? >> >> Thank you for any help you can give, >> >> Thomas Shanks >> Chief Engineer >> WREK Georgia Tech Student Radio >> >> >> -- >> Thatcher Graham >> Senior Field Engineer >> Mediaguide >> 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305 >> King of Prussia, PA 19406 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From lkatzinger at chartermi.net Mon Dec 22 11:58:13 2008 From: lkatzinger at chartermi.net (lkatzinger@chartermi.net) Date: Mon Dec 22 12:22:21 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Key For Edison Bank Message-ID: <20081222145813.0957L.1884262.root@mp11> Hi, I bought the Edison Diamond Disc bank that Vince offered to the list a few weeks ago and it's a beauty. I have a question that I am hoping a list member can answer: Can anyone describe the key that fit this bank or even better send me a picture? The lock mechanism is there and my local locksmith made a working key. I am interested in the real look. Thanks in advance. Best wishes, Leon Katzinger From lherault at bu.edu Mon Dec 22 12:22:24 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Mon Dec 22 12:23:31 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - needrestoration help] In-Reply-To: <494FD531.40507@mediaguide.com> References: <494FD531.40507@mediaguide.com> Message-ID: <007a01c96473$00c2e8c0$4ed6299b@ad.bu.edu> My guess is plenty of circulating dry air to get things dry. Records can then be individually washed, dried and re-sleeved. I don't know if tape can be washed and dried, or how you would do it. Just drying may save the equipment too, but after it is dry, moving things like motors and switches probably should be re-lubricated with the proper oils/greases. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Thatcher Graham Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:58 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - needrestoration help] A heartbreaking story of damaged 78s in Atlanta. If any of you have experience in this matter please let me know. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - need restoration help Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:21:38 -0500 From: Thomas Shanks Reply-To: College Broadcasters, Inc To: CBI@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU From The Collegiate Broadcasters, Inc. (CBI) Listserv>> Our radio station's storage area was steamed in a sauna from a broken steam pipe for probably 7 days before we were informed last week. We have a full complement of high-quality used analog studio equipment (an entire disassembled old studio) and a few hundred 78s that were too wet to handle until today as the room was dried with a dehumidifier. They are still damp, so it's time to do what we need to do to save what can be saved. What should we do to save the 78s? What should we do to save the reel tape? And the audio equipment? Thank you for any help you can give, Thomas Shanks Chief Engineer WREK Georgia Tech Student Radio -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer Mediaguide 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305 King of Prussia, PA 19406 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 17:40:13 2008 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:40:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Frankenstien-o-phone In-Reply-To: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA0471@mercury.prevea.com> Message-ID: <325623.51205.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I saw it. I laughed my a$$ off. Check out the Victor IV from the same seller. This one is a real hoot!!! Harvey, Washington State --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: From: Jeffry Young, D.O. Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Frankenstien-o-phone To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:23 AM Check this one out! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120352963369&_trksid= p2759.l1259 Zonophone base, Columbia back bracket and elbow, Victor reproducer, and sawed off after-market cylinder phonograph horn! It's Frankenstien-o-phone! All for the low, low, buy-it-now price of $2750! Merry Christmas to all! Jeff Wisconsin _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonofolks at aol.com Tue Dec 23 09:56:35 2008 From: phonofolks at aol.com (phonofolks@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 23 09:57:06 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - needrestoration help In-Reply-To: <83C9753B7B794BCEBEA956DE976F70A6@gbhpa1514n> References: <494FD531.40507@mediaguide.com> <83C9753B7B794BCEBEA956DE976F70A6@gbhpa1514n> Message-ID: <8CB333EEDABC477-21C-7A@WEBMAIL-MB03.sysops.aol.com> If the 78s are only warped and not cracked they can still be saved. You can actually flatten them out in the sunlight or in an electric oven using a low temperature. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Bogantz To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 1:32 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - needrestoration help] Well, assuming that the 78s weren't exposed to heat from the steam pipe break and that they have only a water soaking, there's probably nothing wrong with them except for some potential label damage. Check for obvious warpage or cracking and dispose of those records. The ones that appear undamaged otherwise should be removed from any damaged paper sleeves and rewashed as quickly as possible to remove any wet paper residue while protecting their labels from the washing. Shellac records (or vinyl or styrene 45s) are not damaged by washing in water. They should then be thoroughly rinsed with distilled water, dried, and returned to new record sleeves.? ? ? The analog audio equipment is another story. About the only thing to do is to dry it out COMPLETELY, then check each piece carefully for any signs of water damage. Older equipment that does not contain circuit boards may well survive with little more than a good drying out, then maybe a brushing out of any foreign residue from the chassis. Circuit boards need to be checked for evidence of water stains that can cause short circuits. These stains can often be cleaned off with alcohol and a stiff brush. Some of the capacitors might need to be replaced, but that needs to be determined on an individual basis. Mechanical equipment such as turntables and tape decks will need to have their mechanics cleaned and relubricated. But most of this equipment is probably recoverable if there is interest in doing it.? ? Greg Bogantz? ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thatcher Graham" ? To: "Antique Phonograph List" ? Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:58 PM? Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - needrestoration help]? ? >A heartbreaking story of damaged 78s in Atlanta.? > If any of you have experience in this matter please let me know.? >? >? >? > -------- Original Message --------? > Subject: [CBI] Wet 78s and broadcast equipment - need restoration help? > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:21:38 -0500? > From: Thomas Shanks ? > Reply-To: College Broadcasters, Inc ? > To: CBI@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU? >? >? >? > From The Collegiate Broadcasters, Inc. (CBI) Listserv>>? >? > Our radio station's storage area was steamed in a sauna from a broken > steam pipe for probably 7 days before we were informed last week. We have > a full complement of high-quality used analog studio equipment (an entire > disassembled old studio) and a few hundred 78s that were too wet to handle > until today as the room was dried with a dehumidifier. They are still > damp, so it's time to do what we need to do to save what can be saved.? >? > What should we do to save the 78s?? >? > What should we do to save the reel tape?? >? > And the audio equipment?? >? > Thank you for any help you can give,? >? > Thomas Shanks? > Chief Engineer? > WREK Georgia Tech Student Radio? >? >? > -- > Thatcher Graham? > Senior Field Engineer? > Mediaguide? > 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305? > King of Prussia, PA 19406? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > Phono-L mailing list? > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ? _______________________________________________? Phono-L mailing list? http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? From Srsells1 at aol.com Tue Dec 23 19:56:03 2008 From: Srsells1 at aol.com (Srsells1@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 23 20:01:22 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] January Issue of In The Groove Message-ID: Eileen Stewart, Asst. Editor of In The Groove asked me to post this. Delivery of the January 2009 issue of In The Groove will begin on January 5, 2009. The MAPS monthly meeting is scheduled for Friday, January 23rd at Spring Arbor University, Michigan. Best regards and happy new year! BTW, MAPS dues increases on January 1- to $30.00 - but dues for (12 issues) for 2009 are still $25.00 if paid by 12/31/08. So don't delay ;-) Steve **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From khwright at hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 05:46:46 2008 From: khwright at hotmail.com (Keith Wright) Date: Wed Dec 24 05:51:57 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Merry Christmas to all... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: and to all a good night...of listening to wonderous old sounds! Cheers, Keith _________________________________________________________________ Keep in touch and up to date with friends and family. Make the connection now. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ From phonolist at cylinder.de Wed Dec 24 12:19:59 2008 From: phonolist at cylinder.de (Norman Bruderhofer) Date: Wed Dec 24 12:20:27 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Merry Christmas to all... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081224202015.31AF4F0B8D@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Thank you, Keith. The same to you and all Phono-L members! Norman At 14:46 24.12.2008, you wrote: >and to all a good night...of listening to wonderous old sounds! > >Cheers, >Keith From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri Dec 26 12:51:46 2008 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Fri Dec 26 12:52:00 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] My latest You Tube Video (You're the Cream in my coffee) Message-ID: <122620082051.16353.495543E20005904800003FE12200761438039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> Here is my latest You Tube Video. I very nice rendition of this popular song by Ted Weems and his Orchestra from late 1918. Enjoy !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oINRGIdc0Ps&feature=channel_page Bruce From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri Dec 26 13:23:10 2008 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Fri Dec 26 13:23:23 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] My latest Video Message-ID: <122620082123.19584.49554B3E00065B6400004C802200761438039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> Sorry for the error, I forgot to proof read that sentence. The song was from 1928 of course, not 1918!! Bruce From kbab1 at charter.net Fri Dec 26 14:55:51 2008 From: kbab1 at charter.net (Ken and Brenda Brekke) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:03:30 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] My latest Video In-Reply-To: <122620082123.19584.49554B3E00065B6400004C802200761438039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20081226225551.EMMT128.aarprv06.charter.net@your4dacd0ea75> Bruce, Great tune!!!! The 8-12 (wind-up model) was my very first Victrola back in 1982. I would love to find another one. Happy New Year to all!!!! Ken Brekke -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78rpm@comcast.net Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:23 PM To: Phonolist; Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] My latest Video Sorry for the error, I forgot to proof read that sentence. The song was from 1928 of course, not 1918!! Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From esroberto at hotmail.com Fri Dec 26 15:23:45 2008 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright ) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:29:02 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: A question for the group: I just picked up the above listed DD, etched label. It has two unusual features prompting me to ask the group about it. One is that it has no artist info, just Soprano solo with orchestral accomp. The other feature is that it's utterly one-sided, smooth as glass on side two. Anyone have ANY idea what the story is on this record?? Thanks in advance, Robert From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Fri Dec 26 15:31:40 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:38:34 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] My latest You Tube Video (You're the Cream in my coffee) Message-ID: GOOD RECORDING OF A GREAT SONG ORTHOS PLAY NICE NOW WE NEED SOMEONE TO PLAY THE CYLINDER ON AN OPERA / CONCERT THANKS FOR THE NICE SONG ZONO In a message dated 12/26/2008 4:21:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bruce78rpm@comcast.net writes: Here is my latest You Tube Video. I very nice rendition of this popular song by Ted Weems and his Orchestra from late 1918. Enjoy !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oINRGIdc0Ps&feature=channel_page Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From smstitt at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 17:17:52 2008 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Fri Dec 26 17:18:04 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0812261717o6b62267cw84a044f595eda0c4@mail.gmail.com> Don't know if this helps but according to Ray Wile, 82525 R Suicidio-La Gioconda L Explanatory Talk 11/15/22 Hope this helps. The DD test pressing I have (bad memory) are numbered in pencil on the sleeve and scratched on the record. Same song both sides. Mike Oldcranky. On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Robert Wright wrote: > A question for the group: I just picked up the above listed DD, etched label. It has two unusual features prompting me to ask the group about it. One is that it has no artist info, just Soprano solo with orchestral accomp. The other feature is that it's utterly one-sided, smooth as glass on side two. Anyone have ANY idea what the story is on this record?? Thanks in advance, Robert > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Sat Dec 27 03:06:47 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 27 03:07:07 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: hi robert i have one like that mine was recorded at a dealer its one sided with an edison hand typed label with people singing and speaking on it it was done in iowa and at the end one guy is singing i dont give a damn about iowa i am from missouri its funny zono In a message dated 12/26/2008 6:34:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, esroberto@hotmail.com writes: A question for the group: I just picked up the above listed DD, etched label. It has two unusual features prompting me to ask the group about it. One is that it has no artist info, just Soprano solo with orchestral accomp. The other feature is that it's utterly one-sided, smooth as glass on side two. Anyone have ANY idea what the story is on this record?? Thanks in advance, Robert _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From Aph4990 at aol.com Sat Dec 27 08:14:02 2008 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 27 08:14:19 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: In a message dated 12/27/08 4:09:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Zonophone2006@aol.com writes: hi robert i have one like that mine was recorded at a dealer its one sided with an edison hand typed label with people singing and speaking on it it was done in iowa and at the end one guy is singing i dont give a damn about iowa i am from missouri its funny zono This information begs the question: Were dealers able to record on Diamond Discs? I've only seen pictures of recording equipment used at the Edison plant. I didn't know this was lent or sold to dealers. If it wasn't--could someone have used even Victor or other lateral recording equipment on a blank Edison disc? How weird would that be? ---Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From majesticrecord at snet.net Sat Dec 27 08:43:28 2008 From: majesticrecord at snet.net (Glenn Longwell) Date: Sat Dec 27 08:50:28 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: <317155.54955.qm@web83707.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Robert, Edison had refused with the DDs to put artist names on them at first.? This is kind of odd actually since artist names had been used on cylinders for years.? However, according to Ray Wile's info it was July 1915 when artist names began to first appear.? Your record is obviously from before that based on your other observation.? At first, these 82000 and 82500 discs were double sided and paired with another song.? This was up until October 1913 when the machines and records truly went commercial.? For a short time after that these were single sided (I think until Feb. 1914)?when they started adding the Explanatory Talk on the other side.? I don't know if it was all of them at the time but at first the Explanatory Talk didn't have a label imprinted - just grooves and a matrix number.? I have several examples of these single sided discs and ones with the sides?that have?no label imprinted. Cheers, Glenn ________________________________ From: Robert Wright To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:23:45 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question A question for the group:? I just picked up the above listed DD, etched label. It has two unusual features prompting me to ask the group about it. One is that it has no artist info, just Soprano solo with orchestral accomp. The other feature is that it's utterly one-sided, smooth as glass on side two. Anyone have ANY idea what the story is on this record??? Thanks in advance, Robert _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Sat Dec 27 10:39:02 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 27 10:39:18 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: hi this is an edison record vertical not lateral the back is blank and it was recorded at the store selling edisons it has a guy talking and cussing at the end and a piano solo they must have used this to promoted the disc as it is a paper label not the etched and it looks like any other paper label other than the type written name and date it was recorded In a message dated 12/27/2008 11:14:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Aph4990@aol.com writes: In a message dated 12/27/08 4:09:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Zonophone2006@aol.com writes: hi robert i have one like that mine was recorded at a dealer its one sided with an edison hand typed label with people singing and speaking on it it was done in iowa and at the end one guy is singing i dont give a damn about iowa i am from missouri its funny zono This information begs the question: Were dealers able to record on Diamond Discs? I've only seen pictures of recording equipment used at the Edison plant. I didn't know this was lent or sold to dealers. If it wasn't--could someone have used even Victor or other lateral recording equipment on a blank Edison disc? How weird would that be? ---Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0000002 5) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From andy at popyrus.com Sat Dec 27 11:01:26 2008 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Sat Dec 27 11:01:44 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is it possible that it could have been produced by Edison personnel at the factory, as a gag or experiment? Does the spoken content refer specifically to it having been recorded at a retail store, or in what locale? The real mystery is what the heck it was recorded on, since it's disc and not cylinder, and we're not aware of recording apparatus having been used to record DD records outside of the factory. I suppose it's conceivable that it was recorded on a Path? or other machine with vertical capability and a tone-arm feed, but even this would have required a limited yielding cutting stylus and possibly additional steady force applied; essentially converting the reproducer to a recorder. A transcript of the spoken content would be fascinating. Andy Baron Santa Fe On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Zonophone2006@aol.com wrote: > hi > this is an edison record vertical not lateral > the back is blank and it was recorded at the store selling edisons > it has a guy talking and cussing at the end and a piano solo > they must have used this to promoted the disc as it is a paper label > not the > etched > and it looks like any other paper label other than the type written > name and > date it was recorded > > > > In a message dated 12/27/2008 11:14:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Aph4990@aol.com writes: > > > In a message dated 12/27/08 4:09:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > Zonophone2006@aol.com writes: > > hi robert > i have one like that > mine was recorded at a dealer > its one sided with an edison hand typed label with people singing > and > speaking on it > it was done in iowa and at the end one guy is singing i dont give > a damn > about iowa i am from missouri > its funny > zono > > > > This information begs the question: Were dealers able to record > on Diamond > Discs? I've only seen pictures of recording equipment used at the > Edison > plant. I didn't know this was lent or sold to dealers. > If it wasn't--could someone have used even Victor or other lateral > recording > equipment on a blank Edison disc? How weird would that be? > ---Art Heller > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL > Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0000002 > 5) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL > Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From PHONOSTUFF at aol.com Sat Dec 27 13:42:02 2008 From: PHONOSTUFF at aol.com (PHONOSTUFF@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 27 13:47:29 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: Hi Robert, I checked Edison Disc Recordings by Ray Wile and the artist is Emmy Destinn. The catalog cut-out date is 11/15/22. Joan In a message dated 12/27/2008 11:51:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, majesticr ecord@snet.net writes: Hi Robert, Edison had refused with the DDs to put artist names on them at first. This is kind of odd actually since artist names had been used on cylinders for years. However, according to Ray Wile's info it was July 1915 when artist names began to first appear. Your record is obviously from before that based on your other observation. At first, these 82000 and 82500 discs were double sided and paired with another song. This was up until October 1913 when the machines and records truly went commercial. For a short time after that these were single sided (I think until Feb. 1914) when they started adding the Explanatory Talk on the other side. I don't know if it was all of them at the time but at first the Explanatory Talk didn't have a label imprinted - just grooves and a matrix number. I have several examples of these single sided discs and ones with the sides that have no label imprinted. Cheers, Glenn ________________________________ From: Robert Wright To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:23:45 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question A question for the group: I just picked up the above listed DD, etched label. It has two unusual features prompting me to ask the group about it. One is that it has no artist info, just Soprano solo with orchestral accomp. The other feature is that it's utterly one-sided, smooth as glass on side two. Anyone have ANY idea what the story is on this record?? Thanks in advance, Robert _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From Aph4990 at aol.com Sat Dec 27 14:26:29 2008 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 27 14:26:51 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: But--something is very wrong here. Edison 82525 has got to be a wrong number. What has been described as talking and laughing on one side with a blank side on the other obviously has nothing to do with Edison 82525. A picture of the label would probably help. ---Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From AGW1886 at aol.com Sat Dec 27 15:11:12 2008 From: AGW1886 at aol.com (AGW1886@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 27 15:16:43 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: It would also seem possible that the recording could have been made on a 4 minute cylinder then dubbed to disc at the factory, then pressed as a special. Did not Edison make some special pressings for private use? Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://www.geaaonline.org UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From majesticrecord at snet.net Sat Dec 27 16:13:48 2008 From: majesticrecord at snet.net (Glenn Longwell) Date: Sat Dec 27 16:14:22 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: <862691.19220.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I think there's some confusion here.? The original post said nothing about the content of the record.? That was a follow up post by someone with a different record. Glenn ________________________________ From: "Aph4990@aol.com" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:26:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question But--something is very wrong here. Edison 82525 has got to be? a wrong number.? What has been described as talking and laughing on one? side with a blank side on the other obviously has nothing to do with Edison? 82525. A picture of the label would probably help. ---Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From RROCRREC at aol.com Sat Dec 27 21:56:40 2008 From: RROCRREC at aol.com (RROCRREC@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 27 22:02:03 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 340 Message-ID: First cylinder of this record as far as I know was on an AICC cylinder, #84.036. Title not quite the same, "La Gioconda-Suicidio" by Gabbi. Probably not related but will throw it out for comment. Cylinder is wonderful if you like Gabbi. Probably done by many others but this may be the earliest survivor. Comments? Larry **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From Aph4990 at aol.com Sat Dec 27 22:44:52 2008 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 27 22:45:08 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: In a message dated 12/27/08 5:16:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, majesticrecord@snet.net writes: I think there's some confusion here. The original post said nothing about the content of the record. That was a follow up post by someone with a different record. Glenn You are absolutely right, Glenn. However, the original post described a soprano solo on one side and a blank second side under the Edison #82525. There should have been an explanatory message on the second side, rather than being blank. The followup post described the "dealer recorded" Edison disc which produced it's own questions. --Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From esroberto at hotmail.com Sat Dec 27 23:04:35 2008 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sat Dec 27 23:05:56 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question References: <862691.19220.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's right, Glenn, there is some confusion, exactly as you point out. First of all, thanks so much to everyone for the immediate responses about this disc I've found. It is, definitively as far as I'm concerned, the Emmy Destinn record Ray Wile says it is, from an early pressing run -- it's missing the 3 indentations, the back side is smooth as glass (no label area, no nothin'), and the title is indeed Suicido from Gioconda, with no artist info listed. It's in beautiful shape except that it's obviously been played with a chipped stylus, as it's a bit noisy, and there is a light coat of rust/brown dust in the grooves (we've all seen that before). As it's the first DD I've found of that type, I'm still pretty excited about it, and thanks to you all, I know exactly what I have now. Regarding Zono's one-sided DD with typewritten label, I'm pretty sure it's a Jobbers' record. I was first put into contact with Ron Dethlefson (and Jack Palmer) by Tim Gracyk back in '94 or so when I found one of these discs in Tomball, TX while junking. Mine had no label (or maybe it had come off), but did have a label area that looked like brown paper sack material on both sides. It was one-sided and had a handwritten 63 on the playable side's label area. I sent a recording of it along with its description to Tim, who then forwarded it to Ron and Jack, and Ron sent me a post card detailing the record I'd found: a 1923 Harger & Blisch Summer Sales Contest record. The 5 jobbers who had won the contest got to go to Edison's studio to record their voices (spewing a bunch of pro-Edison propaganda in decidedly amateur manner) as the prize, which must've been a pretty big deal at the time. One of the jobbers had written a delightfully awful song, and Edison got Vernon Dalhart to record it at the end of the record with piano accompaniment (thus Tim's fwd to Jack Palmer). That record is, in fact, exactly the reason I found my way onto this very email list. Thanks again, everyone. This list truly is a resource to be cherished. Safe and happy new year to you all! Best, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Longwell" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question I think there's some confusion here. The original post said nothing about the content of the record. That was a follow up post by someone with a different record. Glenn From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Sun Dec 28 05:15:21 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 05:20:43 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: hi all you are right there is some confusion mine is a recitation of the little black hen and a corn huskers song the beginning names all the people on it and where it was recorded the label is the black paper label hand typed 1922 dealers contest sponsored by harver & blake iowa the people who are introduced are told also where they came from at the end the guy says he doesn't give a damn about iowa as he was from missouri the show me state the back is just a plain flat black etched in the side run off is 836-a-1-1- its interesting for a dd best to all zono **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From steve_noreen at msn.com Sun Dec 28 16:15:10 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 28 16:20:21 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was this record on eBay about a month ago? Steve > hi all > you are right there is some confusion > mine is a recitation of the little black hen and a corn huskers song > the beginning names all the people on it and where it was recorded > the label is the black paper label hand typed 1922 dealers contest > sponsored by harver & blake iowa > the people who are introduced are told also where they came from > at the end the guy says he doesn't give a damn about iowa as he was from > missouri the show me state > the back is just a plain flat black > etched in the side run off is 836-a-1-1- > its interesting for a dd > best to all > zono > From pjfraser at alamedanet.net Mon Dec 29 07:33:47 2008 From: pjfraser at alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser) Date: Mon Dec 29 07:34:06 2008 Subject: 1922 dealer contest DD, was: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E7F1C0F-96BB-4109-AA08-FD5F54A4993D@alamedanet.net> gee, this sure sounds cool - any way you can make a dub of it available to us? On Dec 28, 2008, at 5:15 AM, Zonophone2006@aol.com wrote: > hi all > you are right there is some confusion > mine is a recitation of the little black hen and a corn huskers song > the beginning names all the people on it and where it was recorded > the label is the black paper label hand typed 1922 dealers contest > sponsored by harver & blake iowa > the people who are introduced are told also where they came from > at the end the guy says he doesn't give a damn about iowa as he was > from > missouri the show me state > the back is just a plain flat black > etched in the side run off is 836-a-1-1- > its interesting for a dd > best to all > zono -- Peter pjfraser@alamedanet.net From zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Dec 29 09:17:31 2008 From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 29 09:22:58 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB37F077BEF5D8-91C-59D@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> hi steve yes it was it was worth the money just as an oddity -----Original Message----- From: Steven Medved To: Phono-l Sent: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 7:15 pm Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Was this record on eBay about a month ago? Steve > hi all > you are right there is some confusion > mine is a recitation of the little black hen and a corn huskers song > the beginning names all the people on it and where it was recorded > the label is the black paper label hand typed 1922 dealers contest > sponsored by harver & blake iowa > the people who are introduced are told also where they came from > at the end the guy says he doesn't give a damn about iowa as he was from > missouri the show me state > the back is just a plain flat black > etched in the side run off is 836-a-1-1- > its interesting for a dd > best to all > zono > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Mon Dec 29 10:07:55 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Mon Dec 29 10:08:05 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question In-Reply-To: <8CB37F077BEF5D8-91C-59D@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB37F077BEF5D8-91C-59D@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Zono, If I had been able I would have bid $100, I thought you got an excellent deal and I could not believe it went that low. Steve > hi steve > yes it was > it was worth the money just as an oddity > From funks2 at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 11:51:59 2008 From: funks2 at comcast.net (funk) Date: Mon Dec 29 11:57:44 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company In-Reply-To: <862691.19220.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <862691.19220.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <775D60B7EF3741ACAA8107416B9A09ED@your4dacd0ea75> I picked up a machine tag for the Atlantis Talking Machine Company. It is large (3 1/2 inches by 2 1/2 inches) and shows an external horn machine with Columbia on the horn and Victor on the machine. The tag says "This talking machine will play Columbia and Victor Records." Has anyone heard of this firm or were they sued by Victor and Columbia early on? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Tubanuts at aol.com Mon Dec 29 13:28:40 2008 From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 29 13:28:58 2008 Subject: 1922 dealer contest DD, was: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: I am from Iowa and would LOVE to hear it. Any way a link to a dub would be great. Maybe YouTube? Don **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Dec 29 15:52:25 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 29 15:52:42 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: hi i so agree its a fun addition In a message dated 12/29/2008 1:09:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, steve_noreen@msn.com writes: Zono, If I had been able I would have bid $100, I thought you got an excellent deal and I could not believe it went that low. Steve > hi steve > yes it was > it was worth the money just as an oddity > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Dec 29 15:54:08 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 29 15:55:22 2008 Subject: 1922 dealer contest DD, was: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: hi not a member of u tube but will try to figure out how to do one In a message dated 12/29/2008 4:29:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Tubanuts@aol.com writes: I am from Iowa and would LOVE to hear it. Any way a link to a dub would be great. Maybe YouTube? Don **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0000002 5) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From Aph4990 at aol.com Tue Dec 30 17:18:04 2008 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 30 17:23:23 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Message-ID: Hi group, There is a very pretty Opera on eBay but I am wondering whether anyone else feels uneasy about this offering. I have asked for further pictures and have been told that the person making the offering doesn't own a camera. Does anything about this seem fishy to anyone else? Check out ebay #170290126711 Thanks, Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From AGW1886 at aol.com Tue Dec 30 18:17:44 2008 From: AGW1886 at aol.com (AGW1886@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:23:08 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/2008 5:24:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, Aph4990@aol.com writes: > Does > anything about this seem fishy to anyone else? > Check out ebay #170290126711 > Thanks, Art Heller > Notice the wording. It is not always proper English grammer. Could this seller be located outside USA even though he/she says Indiana? Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://www.geaaonline.org UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From glastris at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 18:22:53 2008 From: glastris at comcast.net (glastris@comcast.net) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:23:17 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1808415610.1487871230690173802.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I agree. the way the main photo is loaded makes me feel that this was taken from another website. ----- Original Message ----- From: Aph4990@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:18:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Hi group, There is a very pretty Opera on eBay but I am wondering whether anyone else feels uneasy about this offering. I have asked for further pictures and have been told that the person making the offering doesn't own a camera. Does anything about this seem fishy to anyone else? Check out ebay #170290126711 Thanks, Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jnichol at fuse.net Tue Dec 30 18:22:58 2008 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:23:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see what you mean. I got a very bad feeling. Jim On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Aph4990@aol.com wrote: > Hi group, > There is a very pretty Opera on eBay but I am wondering whether > anyone else > feels uneasy about this offering. I have asked for further > pictures and have > been told that the person making the offering doesn't own a > camera. Does > anything about this seem fishy to anyone else? > Check out ebay #170290126711 > Thanks, Art Heller > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL > Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From cdh041 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 30 18:28:37 2008 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:29:00 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Message-ID: <410-220081233122837218@earthlink.net> Your suspicion is well founded. I acknowledge that there are some who may not have the facilities for supplying pictures, but for the amount of money he/she expects someone to part with, they have to expect the prospective buyer to want to see what they sre offering. The thing could have been at the bottom of a lake for a few years. How are you supposed to k now? > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 12/30/2008 8:23:44 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera > > Hi group, > There is a very pretty Opera on eBay but I am wondering whether anyone else > feels uneasy about this offering. I have asked for further pictures and have > been told that the person making the offering doesn't own a camera. Does > anything about this seem fishy to anyone else? > Check out ebay #170290126711 > Thanks, Art Heller > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 025) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Aph4990 at aol.com Tue Dec 30 18:43:01 2008 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:43:23 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Message-ID: Thank you all for your comments. There are apparently 15 bids on this thing--but I don't trust it at all. Wouldn't you love to get an Opera for $1500 ? But on the other hand, one could receive nothing at all if this is a fraudulent offer. I love to deal with phonograph people--and I've been very lucky so far. This one scares me and so I'll be making no bids. --Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From chrisk33 at cox.net Tue Dec 30 19:55:30 2008 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Tue Dec 30 19:55:42 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495AED32.40009@cox.net> Hi all, A valuable tool is to google a snippet of text from a fishy listing. I searched for "superior Edison Opera, introduced in November 1911, possibly gave the best sound of any contemporary instrument, cylinder or disc" and was led direct to this site -- which is where the photos are from: http://www.worldofgramophones.com/edison_opera_phonograph.html This is beyond fishy. Chris Aph4990@aol.com wrote: > Thank you all for your comments. There are apparently 15 bids on this > thing--but I don't trust it at all. Wouldn't you love to get an Opera for $1500 ? > But on the other hand, one could receive nothing at all if this is a > fraudulent offer. I love to deal with phonograph people--and I've been very lucky > so far. This one scares me and so I'll be making no bids. > --Art Heller > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From chrisk33 at cox.net Tue Dec 30 20:27:01 2008 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Tue Dec 30 20:27:13 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: <495AED32.40009@cox.net> References: <495AED32.40009@cox.net> Message-ID: <495AF495.2050908@cox.net> I reported the auction to eBay and to the web site -- we'll see if the listing goes away. Chris Chris Kocsis wrote: > Hi all, > > A valuable tool is to google a snippet of text from a fishy listing. > I searched for "superior Edison Opera, introduced in November 1911, > possibly gave the best sound of any contemporary instrument, cylinder > or disc" and was led direct to this site -- which is where the photos > are from: > > http://www.worldofgramophones.com/edison_opera_phonograph.html > > This is beyond fishy. > > Chris > > Aph4990@aol.com wrote: >> Thank you all for your comments. There are apparently 15 bids on >> this thing--but I don't trust it at all. Wouldn't you love to get >> an Opera for $1500 ? But on the other hand, one could receive nothing >> at all if this is a fraudulent offer. I love to deal with >> phonograph people--and I've been very lucky so far. This one scares >> me and so I'll be making no bids. >> --Art Heller >> **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL >> Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. >> (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From Phonophan at aol.com Tue Dec 30 20:49:19 2008 From: Phonophan at aol.com (Phonophan@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 30 20:54:40 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Message-ID: One question on this one------ in other instances, where the guy was scamming, he always asked for a money order or Western Union or some other "irrevocable" form of payment. This guy says Paypal --- and I wonder how he's going to do that. Paypal could reverse the transaction, as we all know. I suppose maybe he closes down his Paypal account immediately after getting the money, and closes the bank account, too. But this is definitely more brazen than usual. It suggests all of Paypal's "buyer protection" is nothing more than a sham. Happy New Year to all-------- Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From andersun at tampabay.rr.com Tue Dec 30 21:10:30 2008 From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (Steve Andersen) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:10:42 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6546B23A-D37C-4BFB-AF48-D570235F34CF@tampabay.rr.com> Folks, I asked the seller where in Indiana he was and if I could pick it up. Here is his reply......... this info is left undisclosed for the buyers safty there is no local pick up! brad I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole! Steve On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Aph4990@aol.com wrote: > Hi group, > There is a very pretty Opera on eBay but I am wondering whether > anyone else > feels uneasy about this offering. I have asked for further > pictures and have > been told that the person making the offering doesn't own a > camera. Does > anything about this seem fishy to anyone else? > Check out ebay #170290126711 > Thanks, Art Heller > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL > Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Tue Dec 30 21:55:08 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:55:22 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495B093C.70200@octoxol.com> I think PayPal will still honor your refund on a bad transaction even if they can not recover the funds from the seller. Even at that you still have the option of a chargeback. I know, PayPal will be mad. When you as the buyer make a payment to a seller those funds are not actually available to the seller immediately. PayPal may credit the seller's account and make them available to him but they are doing this with PayPal money as they do not have the buyers funds in their account instantly. There is a huge pile of state and federal regulations relating to these transfers and it is more than complex. I have not read the PayPal terms and conditions in a while but did they not modify them a while ago to hold large ticket transfers for some period? Phonophan@aol.com wrote: > One question on this one------ in other instances, where the guy was > scamming, he always asked for a money order or Western Union or some other > "irrevocable" form of payment. This guy says Paypal --- and I wonder how he's going to do > that. Paypal could reverse the transaction, as we all know. I suppose maybe > he closes down his Paypal account immediately after getting the money, and > closes the bank account, too. But this is definitely more brazen than usual. It > suggests all of Paypal's "buyer protection" is nothing more than a sham. > > Happy New Year to all-------- > > Tim Fabrizio > phonophan > PO Box 747 > Henrietta, NY 14467 > > TEL 585 582 1586 > FAX 585 582 2624 > Web site: www.phonophan.com > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 31 10:00:20 2008 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Raymond Wilenzick) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:07:16 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera References: Message-ID: <000801c96b71$a61302b0$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> I think we should nominate Art for "Fono Fraud Finder" of 2008. Happy New Year everyone. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera > Thank you all for your comments. There are apparently 15 bids on this > thing--but I don't trust it at all. Wouldn't you love to get an Opera > for $1500 ? > But on the other hand, one could receive nothing at all if this is a > fraudulent offer. I love to deal with phonograph people--and I've been > very lucky > so far. This one scares me and so I'll be making no bids. > --Art Heller > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From funks2 at comcast.net Wed Dec 31 10:11:32 2008 From: funks2 at comcast.net (funk) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:11:57 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wrote to the seller also for information and received this reply---- Hi thank you for asking the ? First let me say this this is a research study to see how much % of people will bid on this item with out asking any ? The item is worded to sell a photo or picture of the phonograph, in this research study we have 20 people already have bid on this listing with out asking any ?s.If this were not a study these people buy law would have to pay for a photo or picture!! there is 2 bids on the other auction also,WE will be ending this listing before its time ends, there will be no charge to any one!! We will how ever post our finding on our about me page Blog when this is over. I hope this will help some people read and ask ?s first before bidding and or buying there is a lot of things out there to be ware of this is a teaching tool so people will learn to read,if you would like put this on your watch list and see just how many people do bid?Thank you for the ? good ebayer Brad - bsmoneysaversales I then reread the ad and the first line states: You are Viewing and or buying the item photos or pictures that you are looking at,as they depict A early Edison Model A type S M Opera Phonograph that was made in 1911 the picture show how the horn is made from wood and not metal as with later models The ad has now been ended by seller. I would hate to see any of their research writing as they need to learn basic sentence structure and spelling to actually write something that is understandable, at least by me. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of AGW1886@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:18 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In a message dated 12/30/2008 5:24:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, Aph4990@aol.com writes: > Does > anything about this seem fishy to anyone else? > Check out ebay #170290126711 > Thanks, Art Heller > Notice the wording. It is not always proper English grammer. Could this seller be located outside USA even though he/she says Indiana? Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://www.geaaonline.org UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Wed Dec 31 10:28:43 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:28:56 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495BB9DB.8050104@octoxol.com> The first sentence says that they are selling a picture phrased in the not that unusual bad English you find on eBay. By what you have seen here on Phono-L some people smelled a rat and spoke up. If this were a 100.00 or less item there would have been many fewer questions. funk wrote: > I wrote to the seller also for information and received this reply---- > > > Hi thank you for asking the ? First let me say this this is a research study > to see how much % of people will bid on this item with out asking any ? The > item is worded to sell a photo or picture of the phonograph, in this > research study we have 20 people already have bid on this listing with out > asking any ?s.If this were not a study these people buy law would have to > pay for a photo or picture!! there is 2 bids on the other auction also,WE > will be ending this listing before its time ends, there will be no charge to > any one!! We will how ever post our finding on our about me page Blog when > this is over. I hope this will help some people read and ask ?s first before > bidding and or buying there is a lot of things out there to be ware of this > is a teaching tool so people will learn to read,if you would like put this > on your watch list and see just how many people do bid?Thank you for the ? > good ebayer > Brad > > > - bsmoneysaversales > > I then reread the ad and the first line states: > > You are Viewing and or buying the item photos or pictures that you are > looking at,as they depict > A early Edison Model A type S M Opera Phonograph that was made in 1911 the > picture show how the horn is made from wood and not metal as with later > models > > The ad has now been ended by seller. I would hate to see any of their > research writing as they need to learn basic sentence structure and spelling > to actually write something that is understandable, at least by me. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of AGW1886@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:18 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera > > In a message dated 12/30/2008 5:24:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Aph4990@aol.com writes: > >> Does >> anything about this seem fishy to anyone else? >> Check out ebay #170290126711 >> Thanks, Art Heller >> > > Notice the wording. It is not always proper English grammer. Could this > seller be located outside USA even though he/she says Indiana? > Sincerely. > Rick A. Jorgensen > > GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION > http://www.geaaonline.org > UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES > http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html > > > > ************** > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& > icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From billb at ftldesign.com Wed Dec 31 10:43:38 2008 From: billb at ftldesign.com (Bill Burns) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:50:42 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495BBD5A.5030802@ftldesign.com> On 12/31/2008 1:11 PM, funk wrote: > I wrote to the seller also for information and received this reply---- > > > Hi thank you for asking the ? First let me say this this is a research study > to see how much % of people will bid on this item with out asking any ? The > item is worded to sell a photo or picture of the phonograph... Scammer trying to weasel out of it. If he was really doing a test, why would the rest of the ad include the line: "these sell for around $3500.00 to $10,000.00 so please do not bid unless you plan to pay". -- Bill Burns Long Island NY USA http://ftldesign.com From funks2 at comcast.net Wed Dec 31 10:50:32 2008 From: funks2 at comcast.net (funk) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:50:58 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: <000801c96b71$a61302b0$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> References: <000801c96b71$a61302b0$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Message-ID: <5212F56527EA4E59BB62793DC4D4966D@your4dacd0ea75> I agree! I do wonder what actually is behind this -- Do you suppose the seller really sold this off line and then made up this research story? -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Wilenzick Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:00 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera I think we should nominate Art for "Fono Fraud Finder" of 2008. Happy New Year everyone. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera > Thank you all for your comments. There are apparently 15 bids on this > thing--but I don't trust it at all. Wouldn't you love to get an Opera > for $1500 ? > But on the other hand, one could receive nothing at all if this is a > fraudulent offer. I love to deal with phonograph people--and I've been > very lucky > so far. This one scares me and so I'll be making no bids. > --Art Heller > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 025) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Aph4990 at aol.com Wed Dec 31 10:59:28 2008 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:59:46 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/08 11:13:50 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, funks2@comcast.net writes: Hi thank you for asking the ? First let me say this this is a research study to see how much % of people will bid on this item with out asking any ? The item is worded to sell a photo or picture of the phonograph, in this I'm sorry--but this was just plain fraud. The seller ADDED the words "in the" as an addendum--meaning "the item in the pictures" indicating that the item was being sold--not the pictures. He now states that it was his research study. It's too bad we have people like this on eBay. However, it does make bidding interesting--if highly risky. Luckily, with such a limited field of collecting, one has a chance of knowing who you are dealing with. And thanks to phono-L!! --Art Heller **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From rich-mail at octoxol.com Wed Dec 31 11:01:27 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Wed Dec 31 11:01:45 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: <5212F56527EA4E59BB62793DC4D4966D@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000801c96b71$a61302b0$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> <5212F56527EA4E59BB62793DC4D4966D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <495BC187.7060002@octoxol.com> No blog entry at this time. Who knows what the real story is. Did someone make an off eBay offer and get hosed? I sure hope so. Greedy, sneaky people deserve all they get or do not get as the case may be. funk wrote: > I agree! > I do wonder what actually is behind this -- Do you suppose the seller really > sold this off line and then made up this research story? > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Raymond Wilenzick > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:00 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera > > I think we should nominate Art for "Fono Fraud Finder" of 2008. > Happy New Year everyone. > > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera > > >> Thank you all for your comments. There are apparently 15 bids on this >> thing--but I don't trust it at all. Wouldn't you love to get an Opera >> for $1500 ? >> But on the other hand, one could receive nothing at all if this is a >> fraudulent offer. I love to deal with phonograph people--and I've been >> very lucky >> so far. This one scares me and so I'll be making no bids. >> --Art Heller >> **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, >> Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. >> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 025) >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From Aph4990 at aol.com Wed Dec 31 11:10:01 2008 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 31 11:10:18 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Message-ID: Well, I confronted the seller because I couldn't resist. Here's his answer to me-I hope you get a kick out of it: I will sue you for slander buddy this is not a fraud if you cant read the add it states photos or pictures retard!!! People like this make eBay fun, wouldn't you agree? Art Retard **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From rcowen at sciencenews.org Wed Dec 31 11:40:05 2008 From: rcowen at sciencenews.org (rcowen@sciencenews.org) Date: Wed Dec 31 11:39:37 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Message-ID: <1538892178-1230752299-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-861372626-@bxe163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> ------Original Message------ From: Aph4990@aol.com Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Dec 31, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In a message dated 12/31/08 11:13:50 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, funks2@comcast.net writes: Hi thank you for asking the ? First let me say this this is a research study to see how much % of people will bid on this item with out asking any ? The item is worded to sell a photo or picture of the phonograph, in this I'm sorry--but this was just plain fraud. The seller ADDED the words "in the" as an addendum--meaning "the item in the pictures" indicating that the item was being sold--not the pictures. He now states that it was his research study. It's too bad we have people like this on eBay. However, it does make bidding interesting--if highly risky. Luckily, with such a limited field of collecting, one has a chance of knowing who you are dealing with. And thanks to phono-L!! --Art Heller **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From rcowen at sciencenews.org Wed Dec 31 11:35:53 2008 From: rcowen at sciencenews.org (rcowen@sciencenews.org) Date: Wed Dec 31 11:44:17 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera Message-ID: <1185164830-1230752050-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-82821049-@bxe163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> ------Original Message------ From: Aph4990@aol.com Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Dec 31, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In a message dated 12/31/08 11:13:50 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, funks2@comcast.net writes: Hi thank you for asking the ? First let me say this this is a research study to see how much % of people will bid on this item with out asking any ? The item is worded to sell a photo or picture of the phonograph, in this I'm sorry--but this was just plain fraud. The seller ADDED the words "in the" as an addendum--meaning "the item in the pictures" indicating that the item was being sold--not the pictures. He now states that it was his research study. It's too bad we have people like this on eBay. However, it does make bidding interesting--if highly risky. Luckily, with such a limited field of collecting, one has a chance of knowing who you are dealing with. And thanks to phono-L!! --Art Heller **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From rich-mail at octoxol.com Wed Dec 31 11:47:14 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Wed Dec 31 11:47:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495BCC42.8070809@octoxol.com> You have to know the time that the listing was revised vs the time posted. Aph4990@aol.com wrote: > Well, I confronted the seller because I couldn't resist. Here's his answer > to me-I hope you get a kick out of it: > > I will sue you for slander buddy this is not a fraud > if you cant read the add it states photos or pictures retard!!! > > People like this make eBay fun, wouldn't you agree? > > Art Retard > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From esroberto at hotmail.com Wed Dec 31 12:46:28 2008 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Wed Dec 31 12:46:41 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera References: Message-ID: Actually, the response email is pretty standard syntax for today's college student, especially if emailing from a Blackberry. It's not our imagination; some things really were better in the past than they are now. I still like now better, though. Safe and Happy New Year's to all! Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "funk" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Edison Opera > I would hate to see any of their > research writing as they need to learn basic sentence structure and > spelling > to actually write something that is understandable, at least by me. From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Wed Dec 31 16:51:09 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Wed Dec 31 16:56:39 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated Message-ID: Hi friends! Happy New Year to you and yours. May 2009 bring you great health and a 'buncha' stuff related to the world of 78 rpms! I appreciate the expertise of all of you and am hoping that you can provide me with some insight in to a Victor I that I have just acquired. A friend of mine from work just got this Victor I from a great uncle and does not want to keep it. He has offered it to me. I brought it home last evening and noticed the following: - Serial Number on Tag:24614 C - Beautiful original brass bell horn with superb decal - Horn slides in to the elbow - The reproducer arm has two small screws on top that appear to have secured some kind of piece in place. The Exhibition Reproducer just swings around freely on the crook as there is nothing for it to rest on to like other horn machines that I have. The arm is almost perfect in fit as the needle does not miss centering the middle to the record tip (holder) by much, maybe less than 1/10 of an inch. - The crank appears to be an original Victor screw on crank (female); however the shaft (piece that goes into the machine) seems a bit thicker than most Victor cranks that I have or have seen. - The escutcheon is flat and in bigger diameter to accomodate the thicker crank. There appears to be no additional holes or modifications to the case at all leading me to believe the machine is original. - The brake is not the standard bullet brake, but the swing around lever type with the round wand that holds the leather tip. Seems like a nice overall machine that will need some servicing as it does not wind easily. The spring is strong and will play through one ten inch record. The reproducer will need to be rebuilt as the gasket is in bad shape. Does this seem like a machine to buy? If so, what would be a fair price to offer? The cabinet, back bracket, horn, elbow, etc. are very nice and the machine displays very well. Any and all comments very much appreciated. Thanks and God bless. Brantley From steve_noreen at msn.com Wed Dec 31 18:18:56 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Wed Dec 31 18:19:08 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera In-Reply-To: <495AED32.40009@cox.net> References: <495AED32.40009@cox.net> Message-ID: Hello Chris, You (finding the website) and Rick (notice the grammar) have impressed me. The one extremely helpful thing (beside the help of you two) is the serial number that makes it impossible for a fraud to get around. I wonder if someone hijacked the account? I noticed the seller canceled the sale. Best regards, Steve > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:55:30 -0500 > From: chrisk33@cox.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera > > Hi all, > > A valuable tool is to google a snippet of text from a fishy listing. I > searched for "superior Edison Opera, introduced in November 1911, > possibly gave the best sound of any contemporary instrument, cylinder or > disc" and was led direct to this site -- which is where the photos are from: > > http://www.worldofgramophones.com/edison_opera_phonograph.html > > This is beyond fishy. > > Chris > > Aph4990@aol.com wrote: > > Thank you all for your comments. There are apparently 15 bids on this > > thing--but I don't trust it at all. Wouldn't you love to get an Opera for $1500 ? > > But on the other hand, one could receive nothing at all if this is a > > fraudulent offer. I love to deal with phonograph people--and I've been very lucky > > so far. This one scares me and so I'll be making no bids. > > --Art Heller > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Wed Dec 31 19:36:17 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Wed Dec 31 19:36:29 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: VDB: type C made from Aug 13, 1910 to Oct 23, 1912 13,500 to 28,399 serial number range. First model (C) to have slip in horn. crank 1/4" female, change at serial number 16,523 to Regulator, same escutcheon used (I do not know what this means). Brake round plate #1203. Horn #17 flower so if it has the black and brass it is interesting as the VDB says after June 15, 1908 they came with the flower horn. You said all comments welcome so I hope this helps. Steve > - Serial Number on Tag:24614 C > - Beautiful original brass bell horn with superb decal > - Horn slides in to the elbow > - The reproducer arm has two small screws on top that appear to > have secured some kind of piece in place. The Exhibition > Reproducer just swings around freely on the crook as there is nothing > for it to rest on to like other horn machines that I have. The arm is > almost perfect in fit as the needle does not miss centering the middle > to the record tip (holder) by much, maybe less than 1/10 of an inch. > - The crank appears to be an original Victor screw on crank (female); > however the shaft (piece that goes into the machine) seems a bit > thicker than most Victor cranks that I have or have seen. > - The escutcheon is flat and in bigger diameter to accomodate the > thicker crank. There appears to be no additional holes or > modifications to the case at all leading me to believe the machine is > original. > - The brake is not the standard bullet brake, but the swing around lever > type with the round wand that holds the leather tip. > > Seems like a nice overall machine that will need some servicing as it does > not wind easily. The spring is strong and will play through one ten inch > record. The reproducer will need to be rebuilt as the gasket is in bad shape. > > Does this seem like a machine to buy? If so, what would be a fair price to > offer? The cabinet, back bracket, horn, elbow, etc. are very nice and the > machine displays very well. > > Any and all comments very much appreciated. Thanks and God bless. > > Brantley > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 19:39:04 2008 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Wed Dec 31 19:40:16 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <676078.28406.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Brantly, You have a later Victor I. I have that same model. Mine has the slip in elbow. The arm is from an early Victrola IV or VIII. These were the same arms as a Victor II or the late Victor I. The round brake is a Johnson brake used from 1901 until the teens. After that, a tab or lever brake was used. When you rebuild the reproducer, replace the black flange. That should solve the the problem of the reproducer not engaging the crook. The thick crank and large escutcheon is what's causing the binding. I think you have the wrong crank and escutcheon. The Victor I crank has a smaller throw than a II Thru VI. Send off a picture. I'd love to see it. After reading the comments on the saga of the Phantom of the Edison Opera, That's why I won't buy from ebay. I still look for entertainment. I Wonder if some of these people even went to school. I noticed that the ITG has more adds, than before. I'd like to see more sellers in Phono-L. I? would rather buy from a fellow collector than some schmuck from ebay. I know that buying from a collector, I will get a square deal. I hope everyone on this blog has a Happy, Healthy, and a Prosperous New Year. Harvey P. Kravitz --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:51 PM Hi friends! Happy New Year to you and yours. May 2009 bring you great health and a 'buncha' stuff related to the world of 78 rpms! I appreciate the expertise of all of you and am hoping that you can provide me with some insight in to a Victor I that I have just acquired. A friend of mine from work just got this Victor I from a great uncle and does not want to keep it. He has offered it to me. I brought it home last evening and noticed the following: - Serial Number on Tag:24614 C - Beautiful original brass bell horn with superb decal - Horn slides in to the elbow - The reproducer arm has two small screws on top that appear to have secured some kind of piece in place. The Exhibition Reproducer just swings around freely on the crook as there is nothing for it to rest on to like other horn machines that I have. The arm is almost perfect in fit as the needle does not miss centering the middle to the record tip (holder) by much, maybe less than 1/10 of an inch. - The crank appears to be an original Victor screw on crank (female); however the shaft (piece that goes into the machine) seems a bit thicker than most Victor cranks that I have or have seen. - The escutcheon is flat and in bigger diameter to accomodate the thicker crank. There appears to be no additional holes or modifications to the case at all leading me to believe the machine is original. - The brake is not the standard bullet brake, but the swing around lever type with the round wand that holds the leather tip. Seems like a nice overall machine that will need some servicing as it does not wind easily. The spring is strong and will play through one ten inch record. The reproducer will need to be rebuilt as the gasket is in bad shape. Does this seem like a machine to buy? If so, what would be a fair price to offer? The cabinet, back bracket, horn, elbow, etc. are very nice and the machine displays very well. Any and all comments very much appreciated. Thanks and God bless. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Wed Dec 31 19:44:43 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Wed Dec 31 19:44:56 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated In-Reply-To: <676078.28406.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <676078.28406.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Harvey, http://www.toolhaus.org/ Using this tool you can see the negative feedback a seller gave and received, stay away from sellers that left mean feedback. Also when you ask a question the type of answer you get is often the type of service you will also get. Steve